2010.03.20 13:00 - Welcome to PaB, Stop and have a bite

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. Comments are by Agatha MacBeth, Anaise Vaughn (new), arabella Ella,Bertram Jacobus, Coder Criss (new), Eden Haiku,  Mickorod Renard, stevenaia Michinaga, Susi Alcott, Qt Core, Zen Arado and myself.

This session began with the arrival of several new avatars who have never been to a play as being session before. As I describe what the group means to me, I realize that it means something slightly different for everyone.

SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt :)
Qt Core: hi Sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you? Is it as lovely there as it is here in Pa?
Qt Core: quite good with a little rain
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Coder, HI Anaise
Coder Criss: hello :)
Anaise Vaughan: Hi :)
Coder Criss: can we join you?
Qt Core: hi coder, anaise
SophiaSharon Larnia: please do :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: have either of you been here before? at a play as being group?
Coder Criss: no
Anaise Vaughan: no
Coder Criss: i was zapping around and found the note today
SophiaSharon Larnia: did you take a notecard at the entrance ?
Coder Criss: yes :)
Anaise Vaughan: yes:)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nice
Coder Criss: i looked at the wiki also, looked interesting :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, you know we record our sessions and post them on the wiki then?
Coder Criss: yes, i saw that
Anaise Vaughan nods
Qt Core: there are no more the old nice noobs ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: and thats ok with you both??
SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh lol I havent even gotten that far yet
Anaise Vaughan: yes
Coder Criss: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Coder Criss: What i did not really understood is, for what purpose the experiment is
Coder Criss: or what the experiment entails exactly
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, Im still working it out myself and I've been coming here for a while
Coder Criss: i can understand
SophiaSharon Larnia: some may have different answers, I can only speak for myself
Qt Core: in the end i think there is just one big experiment: life
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Coder Criss: well for sure
Coder Criss: it is fresh however to see such a group, bit more serieus then the mainstream
Coder Criss: serious
Coder Criss: so, i'm very curious :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: for me its been to explore what being 'is', after dropping the identifications that I've accumulated in life, 'being' having many different names
Anaise Vaughan: me too...
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Agatha :)
Qt Core: as i see it this group is also trying to vanish some of the seriousness about such topics
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that too!!!!!
Coder Criss: hello :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSL, QT :)
Qt Core: hi agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
Anaise Vaughan: Hi Agatha
Coder Criss: so basically is playful philosophy
Coder Criss: right?
Coder Criss: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes indeed!!
Coder Criss: hehehe
Coder Criss: it's good to look at it seriously, but not take it too serious
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi newbie
Coder Criss: hello :)
newbie: hi sophia
newbie: where am i
SophiaSharon Larnia: this is a play as being group, newbie, have you been here before?
newbie: no
SophiaSharon Larnia: ok, you are new to sl :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: welcome
newbie: yes i am
newbie: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: i'll talk to you in IM as to not disturb the others :)

Anaise Vaughan: what are we talking about today?
SophiaSharon Larnia: during the bell we stop and drop in a meditative sense, like it says on the wiki
Qt Core: no topic yet, we rarely have planned topics
Qt Core: ry to drop ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: for 90 seconds here, longer then the 9 sec in rl
Qt Core: try
Agatha Macbeth: Or if we do it rarely works that way :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Coder Criss: ah aye
Anaise Vaughan: ok
Coder Criss: will drift quick ofc
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to say im discombulated by some many new people here, we can go several days with out one :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wake up Qt :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: so many*
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Ara :)
arabella Ella: Hiya
Anaise Vaughan: Hi arabella
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ara :)
Coder Criss: hi :)
Qt Core: :-) hi ara
SophiaSharon Larnia: sometimes there are theme sessions, most often talking about things that are of interest atm
Agatha Macbeth nods
Anaise Vaughan: where is everyone from?
SophiaSharon Larnia: im on the east coast usa
Agatha Macbeth: England
Qt Core: italy
Coder Criss: Holland
Anaise Vaughan: I am in Belgium
arabella Ella: I'm from Malta in the Mediterranean ... where are you from?
newbie: bahrain
arabella Ella: ciao Qt!!!
arabella Ella: are all of you from bahrain?
Coder Criss: oh wow
SophiaSharon Larnia: one of the more diverse gatherings :)
arabella Ella: yes but predominantly european at this time :)
Coder Criss: you are upset tho sophia of the newcomers?
Coder Criss: im not sure what discombobulated means, so looked it up :P
SophiaSharon Larnia: ooh im sure i spelled it wrong
Agatha Macbeth: It's American ;-)
Qt Core: surprised and a little shocked ;-)
arabella Ella: ?
arabella Ella: what does it mean? and what is the context as must have missed that?
SophiaSharon Larnia: noooo not at all, just have to say what the group is about, is all
Agatha Macbeth: B4 you arrived Ara
arabella Ella: ah
SophiaSharon Larnia: too strong a word then LOL
Coder Criss: :)
Coder Criss: how long you all been with these meetings?
Agatha Macbeth: Only about five months in my case
arabella Ella: over a year in my case
Anaise Vaughan: that's a lifetime in SL :)
Coder Criss: ah wow, yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: less than a year for me by a month
SophiaSharon Larnia: it is Anaise indeed
arabella Ella: if i remember correctly the group has existed for nearly two years now
arabella Ella: i guess we are due to celebrate two years soon
Agatha Macbeth: Since April 2008
Coder Criss: that is very long for a group to survive, active
Coder Criss: still active i mean
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes and its very active
Agatha Macbeth: Oh it's active alright!
Coder Criss: i can see that
arabella Ella: well it is like meeting RL friends here as we get to know each other very well
arabella Ella: and some of us have met in RL too and we feel we have known each other for ages
Coder Criss: ah nice :)
Anaise Vaughan: ce :)
Anaise Vaughan: nice :)
Coder Criss: sorry if i ask many questions, just curious :)
arabella Ella: feel free
SophiaSharon Larnia: please ask :)
Agatha Macbeth: No learning without questions :)
Coder Criss: true that
arabella Ella: and curiousity is something i think people need to cherish and cultivate more
Agatha Macbeth: Unless they are cats ;-)
Coder Criss: I'm sure many of you had a reason to do this, also with many questions... seeing you do this for a long time, you think you got some questions answered?
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zen :)
Coder Criss: hello zen
arabella Ella: Aga ... british irony again!
Zen Arado: Hi all:)
Anaise Vaughan: hi Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Hello dere Zen :)
arabella Ella: Hiya Zen
SophiaSharon Larnia: interesting question Coder, as you know, asking leads to me questions, but Ive been able to relax how I ask the questions
arabella Ella: i think we explore questions rather than attempt to find answers IMHO
SophiaSharon Larnia: to more*
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Coder Criss: ah yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Stevenaia :)
arabella Ella: my feeling is that we all wish to find more meaning in life and we are ... or seem to me to be ... on a quest to achieve that as much as possible
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
arabella Ella: Hiya Steve, Susi

Agatha Macbeth: Hi Steve
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Susi :))
Zen Arado: Hi Susi :)
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Zen Arado: Hi Steve:)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ to all
Agatha Macbeth: Hello
Susi Alcott: sorry I mixed the hour again
arabella Ella: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Don't we all? :(
Susi Alcott: ah...then all might be well _/!\_
SophiaSharon Larnia: its a place to talk about our experiences with the 9 sec stops, but lots of other topics come up, as you saw on the wiki
SophiaSharon Larnia: i will brb, afk :)
arabella Ella: i think we would all like to put pressure to get USA and Europe in synch re DST
Agatha Macbeth: Would help
Zen Arado: or just stop it altogether
Zen Arado: what is the advantage?
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm that too
arabella Ella: longer days with more sunshine for me
Agatha Macbeth: Extra hour's daylight when awake presumably
Zen Arado: but the days are the same length?
arabella Ella: but it is light for longer in summer
Qt Core: more sunshine, less electricity for lighting (teoretically)
arabella Ella nods to Qt
Zen Arado: you could go to bed later or get up later or something?
Agatha Macbeth: Or come to PaB later :)
arabella Ella: please dont ask me to get up earlier ... impossible!
Agatha Macbeth: Me too
arabella Ella hates mornings
Agatha Macbeth: Me too!
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
SophiaSharon Larnia: i love the very early morning when the sun comes up
Agatha Macbeth: Takes me about an hor to wake up usually
Agatha Macbeth: hour
SophiaSharon Larnia: but then I work nights ;p
arabella Ella: at least :)
Agatha Macbeth: You do?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Zen Arado: but we could adjust out own times couldn't we
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh
Zen Arado: if we could get employers to agree too
Agatha Macbeth: There's the rub dear boy
Qt Core: or even work from home (depending on the job)
Zen Arado: Aye
arabella Ella: yes who knows what the future of work will bring ... what with many of us being connected 24/7
SophiaSharon Larnia: I adjust my own times Zen ahahah
Qt Core: tried it when i had a broken habd and could not drive, i can't, too distractions at home
Qt Core: hand
Zen Arado: I tend to get up earlier in Summer
Agatha Macbeth: It's a lot easier to wake up when it's light, I agree
arabella Ella: it is lovely here in summer to go to the beach late afternoon or early evening
arabella Ella: when it is still light
arabella Ella: and we don't have twilight here
arabella Ella: too far south
Agatha Macbeth: We lost Steve :(
arabella Ella: owwww he must av crashed
Agatha Macbeth: He must have Fefozitis ;-)
arabella Ella: ??
Agatha Macbeth: +n
arabella Ella: what has Fef to do with it?
Agatha Macbeth: He's always doing that too
arabella Ella: ah
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb again sorry
Agatha Macbeth: WB Sharon

arabella Ella: a few questions for Qt if you dont mind?
Qt Core: shit
arabella Ella: :)
Qt Core: ops shot
Agatha Macbeth: Who has?
arabella Ella: easy ones today
arabella Ella: moi
Agatha Macbeth: (Phew)
Zen Arado: mastermind :)
arabella Ella: so Qt was yesterday like Father's Day in Italy?
Qt Core: yes
arabella Ella: and was it a public holiday too?
Agatha Macbeth: I've started so I'll finish....
Qt Core: no it is not public nor religious, informal
Zen Arado: commercial in other words?
Agatha Macbeth: Probably
arabella Ella: ah ... here it was a public holiday but not Father's Day ... just saw that on Italian TV and was surprised
arabella Ella: St Joseph
Qt Core: not even, usually kids make something atrsy at school to gift theyr fathers
Zen Arado: who started Father's day?
Susi Alcott: ppl in USA
arabella Ella: and my second question to Qt is ...
arabella Ella: for St Joseph we eat Zeppoli a sweet with ricotta and honey
arabella Ella: do you have them too?
Agatha Macbeth: Yum
Qt Core: yes, in sicily, zeppole is the name there
Zen Arado: ricotta cheese?
arabella Ella: yes
arabella Ella: like small balls of chouix pastry filled with sweet ricotta and covered with honey and chopped nuts
arabella Ella: and the name Zeppoli or Zeppole comes from GiuZZeppi
Qt Core: something very low on calories ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Gotta love small balls
arabella Ella: :)
Coder Criss: lol
arabella Ella: just ate a few ... delicious and yummy
Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
arabella Ella: we also have Quarezimal ... do you have that too Qt?
arabella Ella: and Figolli for Easter
Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like an Aztec god
arabella Ella: Quare is for the 40 days of lent
Qt Core: never heard the names, ;-) Quaresima = lent
Coder Criss: the god of sugar
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Zen Arado: we just have chocolate eggs
arabella Ella: one of the few sweets one was permitted in the past
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
arabella Ella: oh we have the eggs too
Qt Core: from quatanta= forty
arabella Ella: yes
Agatha Macbeth nods
Qt Core: quaranta (terrible spelling tonight, sorry)
arabella Ella giggles
Agatha Macbeth pokes QT
Qt Core: ouch
arabella Ella: so no Quarezimal and no Figolli Qt?
Agatha Macbeth: Not that hard!
Qt Core: no, ara
arabella Ella: oh ... we also have hot cross buns in lent ... wonder where those came from and what their significance is?
Zen Arado: yes we have those too
Zen Arado: for Easter
arabella Ella: yes
Zen Arado: Jesus dying on the cross?
arabella Ella: our traditions are quite mixed a bit of british legacy plus some mediterranean ones
arabella Ella: i guess the cross is somehow significant
arabella Ella: like holy buns?
Zen Arado: that's what Easter commorates
SophiaSharon Larnia: back, and singing hot cross buns thanks alot llol
Agatha Macbeth: Very signficant Ara!
Zen Arado: but rising from the dead too
arabella Ella: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Zen Arado: commemorates
Zen Arado: my pselling bad tonight too
Zen Arado: spelling
Coder Criss: do you all have different religions... or not really speak about that?
Susi Alcott: have no religion
Susi Alcott: but know many
arabella Ella: we have lots of Good Friday processions here too ... a huge local and tourist attraction .. and on Easter we have processions with the Risen Christ
Zen Arado: is Buddhism a religion?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I think we are diverse
Susi Alcott: ah no
Coder Criss: not really zen
Susi Alcott: indeed not
Agatha Macbeth: No gods...
arabella Ella: yes i think we are very diverse here
Susi Alcott: but sadly some people have made that to be the religion to them
Coder Criss: you discuss it?
SophiaSharon Larnia: if it comes up :)
Agatha Macbeth: More like a non-religion...
arabella Ella: of course we discuss various religions and beliefs and practice
Susi Alcott: but to me all of the religions are part of the wider truth
Agatha Macbeth nods
arabella Ella: please say more Susi if you coulld?
Coder Criss: I think the same Susi
Coder Criss: although closest would be buddism
Susi Alcott: as imo all of the religions are people's try to tell about the truth they have experienced
Susi Alcott: as all the religions are anyway created by people
Zen Arado: or what they were brought up to believe
arabella Ella nods
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Susi Alcott: that is also creation when one helps any idea to spread
arabella Ella: our cultural upbringing influenes our beliefs to a great extent i feel
Zen Arado: some never question their religion of birth i think
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram :)

arabella Ella: so does our geography somehow
Susi Alcott: the whole turth always includes also people's beliefs which they live to come true
arabella Ella: Hiya Bert :)
Agatha Macbeth: Guten Abend Berti :)
Coder Criss: hello :)
Zen Arado: Guten Abend Bert
Susi Alcott: good morning Bert
Zen Arado: hope you sre right Aga :)
Agatha Macbeth: Me too :)
Agatha Macbeth: Still blue then Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. sry - felt silent ... and hello all :-)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Zen Arado: wonders what it is like to feel silent
Bertram Jacobus: it´s wonderful !
Agatha Macbeth: Quiet?
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: peace
Zen Arado: I see
Susi Alcott: and warmth
Bertram Jacobus: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go, bye for now all :))
Bertram Jacobus: bye sophia ...
Qt Core: bye Sophia
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Sharon take care
Zen Arado: bye Sharon :)
Coder Criss: bye sophia :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Sophia
arabella Ella: if you join one of the retreats you may learn and experience the feeling of silence Aga
arabella Ella: bye SSL
Anaise Vaughan: bye Sophia
Coder Criss: your have read the book of death susi?
Coder Criss: you*
Zen Arado: silence is hard to find
Bertram Jacobus: matter of time zen i´d say ...
Bertram Jacobus: only matter of time ...
Coder Criss: i wondered, because you said about not remembering birth
Zen Arado: there is usually noise in the background no matter where you go
arabella Ella: i was very surprised with the experience of the silent day during the retreat ... a very pleasant surprise
arabella Ella: the only noise in the background was the humming of bees in the countryside
Agatha Macbeth: Unfortunately yes Zen
Susi Alcott: the silence is alwys inside one
Zen Arado: yes ...the stillness
Qt Core: i usually get more noise from inside than outside
Bertram Jacobus: yess ara - that was really very nice ... :-)
arabella Ella smiles
Susi Alcott: -> Zen so might it be that you have experiensed that often, but have not connected it to the word 'silence'
Zen Arado: the word 'silence' refers to environmental noise for me
Zen Arado: prefer 'stillness'
Susi Alcott: in buddhism that phrase might been 'described' with the word 'emptyness'
Zen Arado: absense od noise rather
Zen Arado: yes
Bertram Jacobus: words ...
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Zen Arado: but the stillness can be there even if there is a lot of external noise
Zen Arado: stillness inside
Bertram Jacobus: agree
Zen Arado: always there
Susi Alcott: thinks that no person can live at least long human life withouht experiencing this phrase for the strength now and them
Bertram Jacobus: heyya mick ! ... :-)
Zen Arado: Hi Mick :)
Susi Alcott: to one person that is always there; to an other seldom...
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Mick :)
Coder Criss: hi mick :)
Mickorod Renard: hi guys
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Mick
Qt Core: hi mick
arabella Ella: Hiya Mick!
Zen Arado: Guten Abend Mick
Mickorod Renard: how are u all?
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
arabella Ella: very well thanks!
Agatha Macbeth: All the better for seeing you dear
Zen Arado: pas mal
Mickorod Renard: he he ,,ty
Qt Core: quite good
Mickorod Renard: bien
arabella Ella: and how are you Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Alors
arabella Ella: ca va bien?
Zen Arado: commanr ca va?
Mickorod Renard: I am fine thanks,,happy I am now connected
Zen Arado: comment ca va?
Zen Arado: my French spelling is bad too
Mickorod Renard: ca va bien mercy
arabella Ella: he he
Agatha Macbeth: Zen spells french worse than english ;-)))
Mickorod Renard: merci
Zen Arado: mercy?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Susi Alcott: lol
Zen Arado: c'est vrai :)
Agatha Macbeth: D'accord
arabella Ella: So Susi ... if I may ask ... what do you see as the value of silence?
Susi Alcott: the sorce of life
Susi Alcott: that is
Mickorod Renard: I could do with saucing up my life
Zen Arado: I have been going to silent zen retreats for about 6 years now
arabella Ella: some ketchup perhaps Mick?
Agatha Macbeth: Don't be saucy Mick
Susi Alcott: (needs the dictionary)
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: or Worchester?
Zen Arado: and I don't really notice the silence now
Mickorod Renard: worcester
Bertram Jacobus: may be a good sign zen : you look deep may be
arabella Ella: or felfel would make you more saucy
Agatha Macbeth knows it well
Zen Arado: there is still so much goes on anyway
Susi Alcott: might than Zen be cuz you share the local phenomenas atm so strongly ?

Zen Arado: there is still body language
Anaise Vaughan: thank you for having us
Anaise Vaughan: have a nice weekend all
Zen Arado: bye Anaise, Coder
Mickorod Renard: bye folks,,go well
arabella Ella: bye Anaise, Coder lovely to meet u both
Coder Criss: thank you people, will be glad to join another day if i may
Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now both
Zen Arado: sure great :)
Mickorod Renard: great
arabella Ella: you are both very welcome to do so
Qt Core: bye anaise and coder, have fun!
Coder Criss: thank you :)
Coder Criss: bye :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: bye to the leaving beings ...
arabella Ella: tomorrow is the first day of spring ... spring equinox
Agatha Macbeth: Yay!
Zen Arado: about time !
Mickorod Renard: yes,,seems to av bin a long winter
arabella Ella: here it is summer already ... seems to be
arabella Ella: some people were swimming in the sea today ... tourists of course
Susi Alcott: here is ice and snow still
Bertram Jacobus: of course ? why is that ? ;-)
Susi Alcott: from Finland maybe ?
Zen Arado: it probably feels hot to them :)
Bertram Jacobus: i meant ara sry ...
arabella Ella: i was gonna say ... probably from Finland ... he he
arabella Ella: the sea here is already much warmer than in Finland in summer i guess
Susi Alcott: understands that easily
arabella Ella: us locals ... we take it slowly
arabella Ella: i start swimming in May
Susi Alcott: where is this your local ?
Bertram Jacobus: ah ok ty
Zen Arado: you have surf?
arabella Ella: altho it is tempting on a lovely day like today
arabella Ella: I am from Malta Susi in the Mediterranean ... where are u from?
Zen Arado: big waves?
Susi Alcott: Finland
arabella Ella: we rarely have surf
arabella Ella: ah ... have been to Finland a few times and have many friends there too :)
Susi Alcott: ah yes; your today's phrase is hot for us here
arabella Ella: yes
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Mickorod Renard: I had a friend who lived in Pori
Zen Arado: I lived in Sydney for 8 years and used to surf
arabella Ella: have been to Oulu, Turku and Helsinki
Susi Alcott: but we also have 'onsens' to swim in warm water in the middle of ice and snow
arabella Ella: not much surf in the Med Zen and when there is it is too dangerous as waves are then so high
Susi Alcott: they sure are man made
Bertram Jacobus: i´m leaving again - ty for your presence all here ! may all beings be happy please ...
arabella Ella: nite Bert!
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Bert
Zen Arado: bye Bert :)
Qt Core: bye bert
Mickorod Renard: by Bert,,be well
Agatha Macbeth: Night Bert
Susi Alcott: and yes; Malta is one such place that finnish people do travel much as the tourist
arabella Ella: well my friends in Finland are mainly work contacts but they all love to visit
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Zen Arado: David Beckhame had his foot operation in Helsinki
Susi Alcott: understand
Zen Arado: must be good doctors Susi :)
arabella Ella: brb ... RL phone
Susi Alcott: finnish education and demandings are very high that one may practice anything concerning people's health
Zen Arado: David Beckham would only go to the best I think
Susi Alcott: think so too
Agatha Macbeth: He can certainly afford to
Mickorod Renard: yes,,he's got the money
Zen Arado: no NHS for him
Agatha Macbeth: Good job, he'd probably be retired already
Qt Core: don't even know if he is going to pay or his team
Zen Arado: England won't win the wrrld cup now :(
Susi Alcott: have 'always' thought that Finland could be 'the hospital of the Europe' for many reasons
Agatha Macbeth: They wouldn't anyway
Zen Arado: :)
Agatha Macbeth: No strikers
Mickorod Renard: have you been on a silent retreat Zen?
Susi Alcott: the most big reason to that is our 'empty' country with much nature
Qt Core: it seem that the usual destinantion of injured players is finland,holland or rome
Zen Arado: yes Mick
Zen Arado: many
Mickorod Renard: the have Peter Crouch
Agatha Macbeth: Exactly
Mickorod Renard: :)
Zen Arado: Rooney
Agatha Macbeth: One man doesn't make a team
Qt Core: and Capello ;-)
Zen Arado: exactly :)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Ok, two men
Mickorod Renard: I was picking up on the reference to silent retreat as I arrived
Zen Arado: I usually go to 2 or 3 a year

Mickorod Renard: wow
Agatha Macbeth: He gets about our Zen!
Zen Arado: there is one coming up shortly
Zen Arado: http://www.blackmountainzencentre.org/8.html
Mickorod Renard: I am ok with silence..I like company
Zen Arado: it is getting too much for me though
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Mickorod Renard: why is that may I ask?
Zen Arado: my disability
Mickorod Renard: ahh,,you mean getting to them?
Zen Arado: place isn't very accessible and I get worn out
Mickorod Renard: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry to hear that Zen
Zen Arado: no being there and keeping up with the schedule
Mickorod Renard: ahh,,ok I see
Zen Arado: have to get up at 5.30 am
Mickorod Renard: yikes
Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
Zen Arado: and it doesn't finish until 9.30 each night
Mickorod Renard: long days then
Zen Arado: hours of meditation
Zen Arado: facing a wall
Mickorod Renard: mmmmm..I may find that too much as well
Agatha Macbeth: I certainly would
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Arch
arabella Ella: back
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Arch
arabella Ella: Hiya Arch
Zen Arado: you have to have a meditation practice at home first I think
Mickorod Renard: Hi Archy
Zen Arado: Hi Arch
Qt Core: hi arch
Zen Arado: then do zazenkai (one day retreats)
Archmage Atlantis: hi
Zen Arado: you work up to it
Zen Arado: the second day is the worst
Zen Arado: then you kinda get into it
Zen Arado: and the time passes quickly
Mickorod Renard: I would have cracked by then
Zen Arado: it's only the thought of it
Zen Arado: the mind wants stimulation
Qt Core: being a "wordy" person i'm strangely attracted and scared by things like that
Zen Arado: hates stillness
arabella Ella: I was too Qt
arabella Ella: and I had no clue how I would react when we had Malta retreat
arabella Ella: but it went very well and was a great experience
arabella Ella: with one siltent day
Zen Arado: after a while there is a strange attractiveness to that silence
Zen Arado: a peacefulness
Qt Core: brb
arabella Ella nods
Mickorod Renard: I have to go home,,
arabella Ella: i must go ... g nite all and thanks for interesting chat!
Susi Alcott: might the movement which is to live, rise from need to get what one do not have...
Zen Arado: I fnd myself wanting to go for that
Mickorod Renard: nice seein u all
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Mick
Zen Arado: you too Mick
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, I'll be moving on too. Take care all
Zen Arado: I better go too I guess
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Agatha
Zen Arado: bye all
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Zen
Susi Alcott: hm
Susi Alcott: either of you knows of this 'Talking Stick' ?

Susi Alcott: ah; got the note card now
Qt Core: interesting but for sl discussion it should have a script that would mute others ;-)
Susi Alcott: dont now follow...as one can mute even items when wants....
Susi Alcott: ah..you mean this stick ?
Qt Core: yes ;-) and about heated, crowded discussions
Susi Alcott: hm...
--BELL--
Susi Alcott: ah ...you mean that it should mute all to other Av's also ?
Qt Core: yes, don't know how the "passage" could be implemented but i've been in discussion where that would be helpful\
Susi Alcott: understand you very well, just that cuz anybody having this, could use it also easily the wrong way then...at least untill somebody would eject such person...
Qt Core: it would me more like a single object than when touched would add the avatar to a list of people booked to speak
Qt Core: like the president/chancelor in parliament houses
Susi Alcott: that is good idea
Susi Alcott: that sure would need the chair man to 'use the list'...then the chairman would have huge power
Susi Alcott: sure it would need people to chooce and give that power
Qt Core: no people, all scripted (as for my idea)
Susi Alcott: ah ok
Susi Alcott: imo
Susi Alcott: no matter the rule when it's accepted with all paritcipants
Qt Core: with nice people nothing like that is needed, that would be a noxious people controlling device
Qt Core: obnoxious
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Yakuzza Lethecus: 2 hrs overtime :)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Yakuzza
Yakuzza Lethecus: what´s the topic ?
Qt Core: at the moment the talking stick
Qt Core: hi yaku, btw
Qt Core: we were thinking about a scripted object that would gave out the right to tak and mute the others and manage a booking system for people wanting to talk
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, i saw something like that on the roadside philosophers today
Susi Alcott: (interesting title; used to call my pa and me as the child to be 'kitchen philosophers)

Susi Alcott: -> both of you ;what would you suggest to be the time to have the right to speak ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hmm, i believe we often don´t need a talking stick because there ain´t that many too talkative ppl around :)
Qt Core: when no one else is and you have something useful to say ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: i rarely consider what i want to say as useful
Qt Core: yes, useful was too strong, not bad
Susi Alcott: ah; as the base Qt's idea is to mute desturbing Avatars
Qt Core: would suffice
Qt Core: maybe even them have something to say, a different point of view, the problem is having everyone have the chance to tell theirs
Yakuzza Lethecus: a combination of radar and talking stick would be great
Yakuzza Lethecus: to have a list of ppl in one mode whom are supposed to speak
Yakuzza Lethecus: and another time a mederation mode where one gives the rights to someboedy in the list manually
Qt Core: i was more about an object that when touched would add you to a list of "going to speek" people
Yakuzza Lethecus: and then a mode where maybe the first locks his right for a while
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes as another mode maybe
Yakuzza Lethecus: good night now
Qt Core: this is one of the script i have in my "script i want to create if i ever start scripting"
Qt Core: night yaku
Susi Alcott: hm...might he crashed...
Qt Core: mmm, he said good night
Susi Alcott: or there's huge chat lag again bothering me ?
Susi Alcott: ah ok
Susi Alcott: didn't get that
Susi Alcott: have got this chat lag quite much lately
Qt Core: i had a little an hour ago
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: not so long ago all my IM's was captured
Susi Alcott: imo such lags that makes probs to communication creates much sad things
Qt Core: never had real problems, now thinking about how can impact

Eden Haiku: Would you like to sit a few minutes and see how it is like? Or not?
guest: sure
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Eden
Qt Core: hi eden
Eden Haiku: Hi Qt,
Susi Alcott: _/!\_ guest
Qt Core: and hi guest
guest: hi
Eden Haiku: I was showing my friend around. I did not know the meeting was still on.
Eden Haiku: Have you been here from the beginning?
Qt Core: between being to lazy to go elsewere and the people coming late for dst i'm still here ;-)
Qt Core: yes
Eden Haiku: Wonderful to see you Qt. And Susi, it has been a while!
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Eden Haiku: Were you discussing a special topic?
Susi Alcott: where more with silence
Eden Haiku: Oh, let us share your silence for a little while then.
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Eden Haiku: We will be moving on now, Thank you both for this moment,
Qt Core: thank you
Susi Alcott: thank you Eden and guest

Qt Core: time to go, have to do a couple things before sleeping
Susi Alcott: wish you pleasent night
Susi Alcott: and thank you _/!\_
Qt Core: sleep well you too Susi
Susi Alcott: _/!\_