2010.08.09 01:00 - Different kind of wondering here ;)

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    2. 2. Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Arch <3<3<3 Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Cos <3 :) Archmage Atlantis: Are you well this morning (I think it's still morning there :) ) Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes i am, abit tired though. Its about 11.10 am Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have woke up something about between 6 yo 7 am Cosmicflower Ushimawa: last night Cosmicflower Ushimawa: here was HUGE thunder with sky lots of lights Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I remember not seen that kind of tunder before Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some lightnings seemed to strike on earth too Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I could not sleep, had just to look at it and wonder its beauty Archmage Atlantis: We have had lighting and thunder almost every afternoon for at least a month.....but it is the rainy season for us. Archmage Atlantis: Had one bolt strike near the house one day Cosmicflower Ushimawa: here its been truly warm summer, so i wonder maby thats why also thunder was huge Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there were 70 000 homes without electricity too last night Archmage Atlantis: I imagine the climate this year has much to do with that, and the floods everywhere Archmage Atlantis: Someone mentioned building an ark in a meeting yesterday *g* Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ahh ;) wonderfull hehe Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Qt ;D Archmage Atlantis: Hi, AT Archmage Atlantis: QT --BELL-- Qt Core: hi all Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we were talking about thundering Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we had last night in Finland huge thunder, I have ever seen sky with so bright lights, full of them Cosmicflower Ushimawa: was very beautifull Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and made me also feel my-self so tiny Qt Core: there were some , not here but nearby, it keeps temps low Archmage Atlantis: Lightening and thunder are a mixed blessing Cosmicflower Ushimawa: voices was also quite huge Archmage Atlantis: Just don't go out into a thunderstorm, or attempt to shelter under a tree Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol, yes Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we were inside Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but Cosmicflower Ushimawa: usually I have gone outside to see all lightnings Archmage Atlantis: But dramatic storms are a yearly thing here during hurricane season Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ahh, well, those have not been so strong than this one was Archmage Atlantis: We lose a few people to lightening every year Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ohh, its interesting Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how some do survive about it Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when light is striked on person Archmage Atlantis: Some who are struck do survive, but not all.......depends on the grounding and the strength of the lightening Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes, those who survive have injuries that affect their lives from then on..........coaches are supposed to bring their teams of kids off the field if it looks like a storm is coming Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have read some interesting thigs about people who have been stired and started to talk different languages Archmage Atlantis: Yes......even falling and hitting the head on the hard ground can cause the brain to change in odd ways Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hehe, its interesting Archmage Atlantis: The thing about the weather this year that has suprised me is how many "safe" areas have had flooding and high wind damage Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how much there is on brains people do not know yeat Archmage Atlantis: I've always expected a lot of Florida to be eventually taken back by rising ocean levels, but I never thought of so many inland places at higher altitudes being affected. Qt Core: almost strangely this and past summer and past winter were "regular" cold winter, hot summer, with precipitation of the right types at the right times Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we had also same kind of phenomena Cosmicflower Ushimawa: very cold winter with huge much snow Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and truely warm summer Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;) Archmage Atlantis: That isn't what I hear on the US news........supposedly this has been the hottest recorded summer on record.....and I don't remember the degree of flooding we've had before.......still, if we've adapted to weather that is cooler and drier, dunno --BELL-- Qt Core: speaking about flood and losing land to it we have the Mose project to (try to) protect Venezia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSE_Project Qt Core: (note that we spell Moses as Mose, but with the e accented) Archmage Atlantis: Ok, let me look, tks Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have not been in Venezia, would love to Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thinking if that place is the same still than in "good old times" ;) Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when Venez had its glory Qt Core: been there twice with school... i even saw one of my teachers falling in a canal :-) Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oohhh Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hoh Cosmicflower Ushimawa: was this teacher drinking something?? Hehe Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have kind of feel of Venez to be a city of Love and Romance Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and parties Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just a sec Archmage Atlantis: Venice has been dealing with the rising waters problem for centuries Archmage Atlantis: The Dutch have a ingenious system in place also Qt Core: he was so sure we should turn right at a turn that he didn't notice the steps he got to went direct in the water Archmage Atlantis: We would rather drill oil wells and pollute the Gulf of Mexico for short term profite......although hopefully that will change some Archmage Atlantis: Your teacher's incident sounds a lot like what happens a lot with cars here.......there are canals everywhere along the roadside, and people miss turns in their cars and drive into them Archmage Atlantis: Unfortunately, a high percentage drown Qt Core: ouch, more dangerous in a car Archmage Atlantis: Yep, it is Archmage Atlantis: Not as humorous or romantic, either :) Qt Core: speaking about Venezia, in past day was discovered a traffic of falke Murano glasses Qt Core: hi Bert Bertram Jacobus: godmorning everybody ! ... :-) --BELL-- Archmage Atlantis: Hi Bert Bertram Jacobus: i was once in venezia and it was a nearly mystical experience (!) ... :-) Qt Core: the two time i was there was to see some museum exhibit so i hadn't the time (or wisdom at that age) to feel the city Archmage Atlantis: Ok, now I know what Murano glass is :) Bertram Jacobus: i think i was lucky that i had very nice circumstances at that time ... Qt Core: if you search on youtube you can find a video where a murano worker create such masterpiece under your eyes Bertram Jacobus: oh - nice Archmage Atlantis: Any chance to visit another place, even if close by, is enjoyable and learning in some fashion Archmage Atlantis: Ok, I'll look for it later.......I've been to the Steuben Glassworks in NY, that was very interesting.....that was years ago tho Archmage Atlantis: Every once in a while there will be a glass blower at an annual arts & crafts show Bertram Jacobus: are they the same steubens where the parade´s names comes from ? Bertram Jacobus: hi darren Darren Islar: hi guys Archmage Atlantis: I don't know Bert Qt Core: hi Darreb Qt Core: Darren Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Darren Archmage Atlantis: Which parade, Bert? Bertram Jacobus: the steuben parade in new york Archmage Atlantis: Oh, Wikipedia to the rescue Archmage Atlantis: Not directly, apparently......but perhaps there is some distant relationship Bertram Jacobus: ah yes - see it now : the glassworks are more modern ? Archmage Atlantis: If Wikipedia is correct, the founders of Stuben Glassworks weren't even named Steubin --BELL-- Darren Islar: Arch likes napping :) Darren Islar: ah, sorry Archmage Atlantis: :) zzzzzzzzz Archmage Atlantis: It's ok, it's true. Bertram Jacobus: is there an explanation why the glass has that name ? Archmage Atlantis: I couldn't find an explanation, even on their official website........I'm sure it is recorded somewhere tho Bertram Jacobus: strange ... :-) Archmage Atlantis: One of the most well know ad firms in the US, Ogilvy & Mather, I think, got it's name by combining the one founders name with the name of his dog Archmage Atlantis: He thought that having 2 partners in the firm would sell better Bertram Jacobus: hehe. yes, we have similar sources of names givings here in germany , too ... :-) Archmage Atlantis: :) - we humans are interesting animals *g* Bertram Jacobus: sure ! but what when you say such to an creationist or evangelical !? ;-) Darren Islar: with big ego's :) Bertram Jacobus: i don´t like ego on the one hand Bertram Jacobus: consider it as the causer of pain and suffering Archmage Atlantis: That I respect his or her beliefs and I would appreciate it if he or she would give me the same curtesy........we can agree to disagree Qt Core: i'd like to make most creationist read this: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib.../artificial_01 Darren Islar: there is also a not spiritual translation of ego Bertram Jacobus: try to read and understand that later qt - thx Qt Core: yw Archmage Atlantis: Ah well, people are rarely convinced by challenging their belief system..... Bertram Jacobus: beliefs are a bit like imaginations, right ? Archmage Atlantis: A bit, yes Bertram Jacobus: what are the differences ? Archmage Atlantis: But the imagination is understood by the person as "a story" or "not scientific" or "not credible"..........A belief is held by a person as their own view of what is real Archmage Atlantis: It's more than that, but that is a flavor of the difference Archmage Atlantis: That the world was flat was a belief centuries ago Archmage Atlantis: What the town over the next hill looked like, or a story told for entertainment, required imagination Bertram Jacobus: but the imaginations of for example tibetan buddhism ... may be also "a bit" different from what may be normally understood by imagination (?) ... --BELL-- Archmage Atlantis: Atheism, Islam, Christanity and Buddhism would all be considered beliefs......ways of seeing what exits in particular system of ideas Archmage Atlantis: * in a Archmage Atlantis: Of course, there are many variations of all of those examples.....they vary by person, by culture, by experience Archmage Atlantis: Of, course, what I am saying her is only my understanding Archmage Atlantis: Others may understand things differently Archmage Atlantis: *here Bertram Jacobus: i think buddhism claims to see the world as it really is ... hm , at least some so called "lines" , sections - don´t know how express better, rsy ... Qt Core: well every school/religion/philosophy believe to see things as they really are, how someone could support something that expressly say not to be right ? Archmage Atlantis: I would agree that Buddism has less dogma than other beliefs, yes..........dogma is fixed belief, not subject to question Archmage Atlantis: An interesting question, QT :) Qt Core: ;) Qt Core: Hi Susan Bertram Jacobus: ah - there you are already - hy susan ! :-) Darren Islar: well, I wouldn't have said that Buddhism claims to see the world as it really is Darren Islar: because I still don't know what that means in terms of Buddhism Darren Islar: hey Susan :) Bertram Jacobus: therefore i said - some lines claim that darren - but why do you disagree plz ? Susan Aloix: Hey Darren :) Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Susan Susan Aloix: Hey Arch :) Qt Core: yes, it is a rough way to say it but everyone think he/she is (mostly) right Bertram Jacobus: ah. hm. "okay" Darren Islar: reality seems in Buddhism the source of exploring, examination, things like that Qt Core: time to go, bye all Darren Islar: bye QT Susan Aloix: bye QT Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ... Archmage Atlantis: bye QT Darren Islar: because reality itself is looked upon in different ways in Buddhism Darren Islar: depending on your level of development I suppose Archmage Atlantis: An interesting discussion, and an interesting meeting :) ....... I also need to go, unfortunately --BELL-- Darren Islar: and the way you practice Darren Islar: bye Arch Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste, all :) Bertram Jacobus: bye arch ... for the log ... Susan Aloix: yeah for the log...bye arch :) Bertram Jacobus: :-) Darren Islar: but I agree that Buddhism is less dogmatic for having no God to answer to Susan Aloix: :) i missed a great discussion it appears ....i will catch you both again later :) Bertram Jacobus: yes. that is one of the to me interesting points ... Darren Islar: bye Susan :) Bertram Jacobus: that meanss you leave susan ? ah - yes - bye , c u ! *wave* ... Susan Aloix: bye for now. Namaste Darren...bye Bertram :) Namaste Susan Aloix: Yes Bertram,. take care Bertram Jacobus: Ok

     

    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Arch <3<3<3
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Cos <3 :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Are you well this morning (I think it's still morning there :) )
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Yes i am, abit tired though. Its about 11.10 am
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have woke up something about between 6 yo 7 am
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: last night
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: here was HUGE thunder with sky lots of lights
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I remember not seen that kind of tunder before
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: some lightnings seemed to strike on earth too
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I could not sleep, had just to look at it and wonder its beauty
    Archmage Atlantis: We have had lighting and thunder almost every afternoon for at least a month.....but it is the rainy season for us.
    Archmage Atlantis: Had one bolt strike near the house one day
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: here its been truly warm summer, so i wonder maby thats why also thunder was huge
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: there were 70 000 homes without electricity too last night
    Archmage Atlantis: I imagine the climate this year has much to do with that, and the floods everywhere
    Archmage Atlantis: Someone mentioned building an ark in a meeting yesterday *g*
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ahh ;) wonderfull hehe
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: Hi Qt ;D
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, AT
    Archmage Atlantis: QT
    --BELL--
    Qt Core: hi all
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we were talking about thundering
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we had last night in Finland huge thunder, I have ever seen sky with so bright lights, full of them
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: was very beautifull
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and made me also feel my-self so tiny
    Qt Core: there were some , not here but nearby, it keeps temps low
    Archmage Atlantis: Lightening and thunder are a mixed blessing
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: voices was also quite huge
    Archmage Atlantis: Just don't go out into a thunderstorm, or attempt to shelter under a tree
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: lol, yes
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we were inside
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: but
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: usually I have gone outside to see all lightnings
    Archmage Atlantis: But dramatic storms are a yearly thing here during hurricane season
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ahh, well, those have not been so strong than this one was
    Archmage Atlantis: We lose a few people to lightening every year
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ohh, its interesting
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how some do survive about it
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when light is striked on person
    Archmage Atlantis: Some who are struck do survive, but not all.......depends on the grounding and the strength of the lightening
    Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes, those who survive have injuries that affect their lives from then on..........coaches are supposed to bring their teams of kids off the field if it looks like a storm is coming
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have read some interesting thigs about people who have been stired and started to talk different languages
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes......even falling and hitting the head on the hard ground can cause the brain to change in odd ways
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hehe, its interesting
    Archmage Atlantis: The thing about the weather this year that has suprised me is how many "safe" areas have had flooding and high wind damage
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: how much there is on brains people do not know yeat
    Archmage Atlantis: I've always expected a lot of Florida to be eventually taken back by rising ocean levels, but I never thought of so many inland places at higher altitudes being affected.
    Qt Core: almost strangely this and past summer and past winter were "regular" cold winter, hot summer, with precipitation of the right types at the right times
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: yes
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: we had also same kind of phenomena
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: very cold winter with huge much snow
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and truely warm summer
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: ;)
    Archmage Atlantis: That isn't what I hear on the US news........supposedly this has been the hottest recorded summer on record.....and I don't remember the degree of flooding we've had before.......still, if we've adapted to weather that is cooler and drier, dunno
    --BELL--
    Qt Core: speaking about flood and losing land to it we have the Mose project to (try to) protect Venezia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSE_Project
    Qt Core: (note that we spell Moses as Mose, but with the e accented)
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, let me look, tks
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hmm
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have not been in Venezia, would love to
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: thinking if that place is the same still than in "good old times" ;)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: when Venez had its glory
    Qt Core: been there twice with school... i even saw one of my teachers falling in a canal :-)
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: oohhh
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: hoh
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: was this teacher drinking something?? Hehe
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I have kind of feel of Venez to be a city of Love and Romance
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and parties
    Cosmicflower Ushimawa: just a sec
    Archmage Atlantis: Venice has been dealing with the rising waters problem for centuries
    Archmage Atlantis: The Dutch have a ingenious system in place also
    Qt Core: he was so sure we should turn right at a turn that he didn't notice the steps he got to went direct in the water
    Archmage Atlantis: We would rather drill oil wells and pollute the Gulf of Mexico for short term profite......although hopefully that will change some
    Archmage Atlantis: Your teacher's incident sounds a lot like what happens a lot with cars here.......there are canals everywhere along the roadside, and people miss turns in their cars and drive into them
    Archmage Atlantis: Unfortunately, a high percentage drown
    Qt Core: ouch, more dangerous in a car
    Archmage Atlantis: Yep, it is
    Archmage Atlantis: Not as humorous or romantic, either :)
    Qt Core: speaking about Venezia, in past day was discovered a traffic of falke Murano glasses
    Qt Core: hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: godmorning everybody ! ... :-)
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Bert
    Bertram Jacobus: i was once in venezia and it was a nearly mystical experience (!) ... :-)
    Qt Core: the two time i was there was to see some museum exhibit so i hadn't the time (or wisdom at that age) to feel the city
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, now I know what Murano glass is :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i think i was lucky that i had very nice circumstances at that time ...
    Qt Core: if you search on youtube you can find a video where a murano worker create such masterpiece under your eyes
    Bertram Jacobus: oh - nice
    Archmage Atlantis: Any chance to visit another place, even if close by, is enjoyable and learning in some fashion
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok, I'll look for it later.......I've been to the Steuben Glassworks in NY, that was very interesting.....that was years ago tho
    Archmage Atlantis: Every once in a while there will be a glass blower at an annual arts & crafts show
    Bertram Jacobus: are they the same steubens where the parade´s names comes from ?
    Bertram Jacobus: hi darren
    Darren Islar: hi guys
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't know Bert
    Qt Core: hi Darreb
    Qt Core: Darren
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Darren
    Archmage Atlantis: Which parade, Bert?
    Bertram Jacobus: the steuben parade in new york
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh, Wikipedia to the rescue
    Archmage Atlantis: Not directly, apparently......but perhaps there is some distant relationship
    Bertram Jacobus: ah yes - see it now : the glassworks are more modern ?
    Archmage Atlantis: If Wikipedia is correct, the founders of Stuben Glassworks weren't even named Steubin
    --BELL--
    Darren Islar: Arch likes napping :)
    Darren Islar: ah, sorry
    Archmage Atlantis: :) zzzzzzzzz
    Archmage Atlantis: It's ok, it's true.
    Bertram Jacobus: is there an explanation why the glass has that name ?
    Archmage Atlantis: I couldn't find an explanation, even on their official website........I'm sure it is recorded somewhere tho
    Bertram Jacobus: strange ... :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: One of the most well know ad firms in the US, Ogilvy & Mather, I think, got it's name by combining the one founders name with the name of his dog
    Archmage Atlantis: He thought that having 2 partners in the firm would sell better
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. yes, we have similar sources of names givings here in germany , too ... :-)
    Archmage Atlantis: :) - we humans are interesting animals *g*
    Bertram Jacobus: sure ! but what when you say such to an creationist or evangelical !? ;-)
    Darren Islar: with big ego's :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t like ego on the one hand
    Bertram Jacobus: consider it as the causer of pain and suffering
    Archmage Atlantis: That I respect his or her beliefs and I would appreciate it if he or she would give me the same curtesy........we can agree to disagree
    Qt Core: i'd like to make most creationist read this: http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolib.../artificial_01
    Darren Islar: there is also a not spiritual translation of ego
    Bertram Jacobus: try to read and understand that later qt - thx
    Qt Core: yw
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah well, people are rarely convinced by challenging their belief system.....
    Bertram Jacobus: beliefs are a bit like imaginations, right ?
    Archmage Atlantis: A bit, yes
    Bertram Jacobus: what are the differences ?
    Archmage Atlantis: But the imagination is understood by the person as "a story" or "not scientific" or "not credible"..........A belief is held by a person as their own view of what is real
    Archmage Atlantis: It's more than that, but that is a flavor of the difference
    Archmage Atlantis: That the world was flat was a belief centuries ago
    Archmage Atlantis: What the town over the next hill looked like, or a story told for entertainment, required imagination
    Bertram Jacobus: but the imaginations of for example tibetan buddhism ... may be also "a bit" different from what may be normally understood by imagination (?) ...
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Atheism, Islam, Christanity and Buddhism would all be considered beliefs......ways of seeing what exits in particular system of ideas
    Archmage Atlantis: * in a
    Archmage Atlantis: Of course, there are many variations of all of those examples.....they vary by person, by culture, by experience
    Archmage Atlantis: Of, course, what I am saying her is only my understanding
    Archmage Atlantis: Others may understand things differently
    Archmage Atlantis: *here
    Bertram Jacobus: i think buddhism claims to see the world as it really is ... hm , at least some so called "lines" , sections - don´t know how express better, rsy ...
    Qt Core: well every school/religion/philosophy believe to see things as they really are, how someone could support something that expressly say not to be right ?
    Archmage Atlantis: I would agree that Buddism has less dogma than other beliefs, yes..........dogma is fixed belief, not subject to question
    Archmage Atlantis: An interesting question, QT :)
    Qt Core: ;)
    Qt Core: Hi Susan
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - there you are already - hy susan ! :-)
    Darren Islar: well, I wouldn't have said that Buddhism claims to see the world as it really is
    Darren Islar: because I still don't know what that means in terms of Buddhism
    Darren Islar: hey Susan :)
    Bertram Jacobus: therefore i said - some lines claim that darren - but why do you disagree plz ?
    Susan Aloix: Hey Darren :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Susan
    Susan Aloix: Hey Arch :)
    Qt Core: yes, it is a rough way to say it but everyone think he/she is (mostly) right
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. hm. "okay"
    Darren Islar: reality seems in Buddhism the source of exploring, examination, things like that
    Qt Core: time to go, bye all
    Darren Islar: bye QT
    Susan Aloix: bye QT
    Bertram Jacobus: bye qt ...
    Archmage Atlantis: bye QT
    Darren Islar: because reality itself is looked upon in different ways in Buddhism
    Darren Islar: depending on your level of development I suppose
    Archmage Atlantis: An interesting discussion, and an interesting meeting :) ....... I also need to go, unfortunately
    --BELL--
    Darren Islar: and the way you practice
    Darren Islar: bye Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste, all :)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye arch ... for the log ...
    Susan Aloix: yeah for the log...bye arch :)
    Bertram Jacobus: :-)
    Darren Islar: but I agree that Buddhism is less dogmatic for having no God to answer to
    Susan Aloix: :) i missed a great discussion it appears ....i will catch you both again later :)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. that is one of the to me interesting points ...
    Darren Islar: bye Susan :)
    Bertram Jacobus: that meanss you leave susan ? ah - yes - bye , c u ! *wave* ...
    Susan Aloix: bye for now. Namaste Darren...bye Bertram :) Namaste
    Susan Aloix: Yes Bertram,. take care
    Bertram Jacobus: Ok

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