2010.08.12 13:00 - Hallelujah the Edge

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.

Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Sharon.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Bruce :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: how are you?
Bruce Mowbray: I'm good -- hiding from the heat in the public library again.
Bruce Mowbray: and you?
SophiaSharon Larnia: hot and muggy here too, raining very hard now tho, finally :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm sleeping from listening to it
Bruce Mowbray: I wish we could get rain here -- storms come through, as they did yesterday, but they seem to by-pass the area where I live, unfortunately.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I thought there were alot there hmm
SophiaSharon Larnia: tell you the truth, I'm not in talky mood, volunteered to goc this session :D
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, we've had powerful storms coming through -- but they divide right before coming over the farm -- I've watched this pattern several times for several summers.
SophiaSharon Larnia: the farm?
Bruce Mowbray: where I live.
Bruce Mowbray: If you like, I can claim the session --- or you could send me the link afterwards.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I did already ^^
SophiaSharon Larnia: np
SophiaSharon Larnia: what kind of farm?
Bruce Mowbray: Just an ordinary corn and soybean farm in southern Ohio.
Bruce Mowbray: 150 acres.
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
Bruce Mowbray: I've been working on my report for the time session tomorrow morning.
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm building a village like thing on land in SL, I intended it to be a darkish victorian village, but its turning into a colonial pa farm
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh me too :)))
SophiaSharon Larnia: goes to show that sometimes hard to break away from what you know
Bruce Mowbray: wow --- I admire your ability to build. I've done a lot of 3D imaging with poser and other apps, but never built anything here.
SophiaSharon Larnia: heh don’t admire until you see it LOL, and Wow! yes Poser, you could upload your pieces and display them in sl
Bruce Mowbray: from Poser???? Are you sure?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yep
Bruce Mowbray: do they come in as "obj"'s or what?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I bought some art work once from a person who displayed them I can show you :)
Bruce Mowbray: three-dimensional art . . . ?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: Hi
SophiaSharon Larnia: not really, one sec
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: Hiya ssl
Mickorod Renard: wow,,nice
SophiaSharon Larnia: the artist made it in poser
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- I see what it is -- It's a flat image of a 3D scene made in Poser.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Bruce Mowbray: What I mean is actually making 3D objects in Poser - then importing those into SL.
Mickorod Renard: hi Arch
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Arch.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes I'm not sure if sculpties can be made that way :D
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Arch
SophiaSharon Larnia: but they can in Blender
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Wol.
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Wol
Archmage Atlantis: Screened off *G*
Wol Euler waves to the invisibles
Mickorod Renard: hiya Wol
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for showing me, though, Sharon.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))

--BELL--

SophiaSharon Larnia: just a texture uploaded to sl, but i admired the skill to make it
Archmage Atlantis: All I saw was black boxes, to shield the way
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes sorry Arch they were turned around
SophiaSharon Larnia: do you want me to re-rez it?
Mickorod Renard: I have to nip off,,c u later
Wol Euler: ifr that's ok
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Mick :)
Wol Euler: bye mick
Archmage Atlantis: Perspective, a good topic
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Mick!
Mickorod Renard: bye guys
SophiaSharon Larnia: I tried to learn poser because of it
Bruce Mowbray: please hold it there a few moments...
SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
Bruce Mowbray: very nice work.
Wol Euler: did you paint that?
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh nooo
SophiaSharon Larnia: an artist in sl
Wol Euler: wow
Bruce Mowbray: It was done by a friends of Sharon's in Poser.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i wish!!!
Wol Euler: O.O
SophiaSharon Larnia: they are no copy. am afraid they’ll poof :D
Bruce Mowbray: I have that same drum model.
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh??
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks again, Sharon..
Wol Euler: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: i really don’t know how complicated it is to make them
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Archmage Atlantis: I have that same model, not in a drum tho....
Bruce Mowbray: Does anyone else here use Poser to made three-dimensional art?
SophiaSharon Larnia: everything I see I want to make, and therefore don’t get expert in any one thing
Wol Euler smiles.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Calvino, hi Zon :)
Wol Euler: hello cal, zon
Archmage Atlantis: Ok,I hve been putting off mozzarella
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Cal and Zon.
Calvino Rabeni: Hello :)
Zon Quar: hey all
SophiaSharon Larnia: watches Bruce wave with his coffee cup hand :)
Wol Euler: and amazingly not spill a drop!
SophiaSharon Larnia: ! :D
Archmage Atlantis: Cause there is no place nearby that makes it fresh
Wol Euler nods to Arch. But now?
SophiaSharon Larnia: the library doesn't have a coffee kiosk? :P
Archmage Atlantis: Like there was in Philly
Bruce Mowbray: why not make your own, Arch?
Archmage Atlantis: I've been reading about that Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: Sorry for the diminutive.....at a certain age....welll
Archmage Atlantis: brb
Archmage Atlantis: did learn that one
Bruce Mowbray has np with 'Brucie' or 'Blubby.'
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: is Blub also an alt of Bruce?
SophiaSharon Larnia: a bubblier version?
Bruce Mowbray: he's an "alt awareness" of Brucie's.
Bruce Mowbray: useful when a panoramic awareness is desired.
Wol Euler: ah :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hmmm panoramic awareness...
Bruce Mowbray: I seem to having more difficulty than usual with the time report this week.
SophiaSharon Larnia: is that like out of body?
Bruce Mowbray: I might have to call on blub to write it for me.
Calvino Rabeni: Blub reminded me of radar on old submarine movies

--BELL--

Calvino Rabeni: the beam circles and touches things
SophiaSharon Larnia: (hears the rhythmic ping now)
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: try that Bruce, see what happens :)
Bruce Mowbray: Radar
SophiaSharon Larnia: in my time reports i seem to resort to fuzzy intellectualization
Bruce Mowbray: I'm doing the same thing -- and i don't like that. . .
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Bruce Mowbray: This time I'm trying to really get inside the awareness -- but finding it difficult to say in words what it is.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, i was going to say, stating it in words is where the breakdown occurs for me
Bruce Mowbray: looking especially at emotional pain and pleasure. . . and what happens when I "drop"
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, Sharon -- that's it for me too. What's to be done?
Wol Euler: stop worrying and write it anyway? :)
Wol Euler: just write. you can always delete later.
Bruce Mowbray: ok -- you asked for it ;-)
Wol Euler: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Wol Euler: I'm only half joking, it's a well-known trick for overcoming a block.
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Wol Euler: "I know I can't to this, and that's OK, self. But I *were* going to do it, what would it look like?"
Wol Euler: and you write about that instead.
SophiaSharon Larnia suddenly sees sprouting flowers in fast mo :)
Wol Euler: hello eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Eliza.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eliza
Zon Quar: gtg, bye all
Wol Euler: bye zon, take care
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Zon.
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zon, Hi Cal, Sharon, Bruce, Arch, Wol :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Eliza, we were just talking about writing time reports without categorizing our thoughts using words to express things
Bruce Mowbray: ... finding labels (words) to convey awareness that is un-labeled.
Bruce Mowbray: or something like that.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Wol Euler smiles.
Eliza Madrigal: :) Tricky
Calvino Rabeni: May I quote something relevant to that, bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: yep. Wol suggests that we stop worrying and just do it.
Bruce Mowbray: sure, Cal. please so.
Eliza Madrigal grins
Archmage Atlantis: Do it, just do it kids
SophiaSharon Larnia: (and I echo Bruce, you asked for it! hahah)
Calvino Rabeni: Language is not the deadly trap it is often said to be. Language is often blamed when something exciting becomes limited and lifeless. Philosophers of many sorts hold that anything will fall into old categories by being said. This might be true when one uses only common phrases, but in the case of fresh phrasing it is quite false. New phrasing is possible because language is always implicit in human experiencing and deeply inherent in what experiencing is.
Calvino Rabeni: Far from reducing and limiting what one implicitly lives and wants to say, a fresh statement is physically a further development of what one senses and means to say. Then, to write down and read back what is said can engender still further living. What one physically senses in one’s situation is not some fixed, already determined entity, but a further implying that expands and develops in response to what is said. Rather than ‘falling into‘ the constraints of the said, we find that the effects of the said can open ways of living and saying still further.
Calvino Rabeni: This is from something called "Thinking at the Edge"
Archmage Atlantis: I recommend a song
Calvino Rabeni: About thinking without getting "stuck" with language
Bruce Mowbray: a fresh statement is physically a further development of what one senses and means to say. - unquote.
Calvino Rabeni: fresh each time
Eliza Madrigal: I like it... it is about limitations as openness...
Archmage Atlantis: It was playing when I woke up to come here
Bruce Mowbray: let's hear the song, please.
Archmage Atlantis: It is playing now
Wol Euler listens hard.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hears rain
Eliza Madrigal: which doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't times when words run out and staying with that too... allowing other ways of articulation to emerge... (re the quote)
Bruce Mowbray listens for song above the library din.
Archmage Atlantis: Hey, I'm old....give me a min
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Calvino Rabeni: that seems true, eliza
SophiaSharon Larnia: :0
Wol Euler chuckles
SophiaSharon Larnia: oops i meant smile :)
Archmage Atlantis: Jeff Buckley
Calvino Rabeni: awake for the emergence
Archmage Atlantis: Album = Grace

--BELL--

Archmage Atlantis: Halllelujh
Bruce Mowbray: yep. you mentioned that earlier today.
Ewan Bonham: Hi folks..
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ewan.
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ewan
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ewan :)
Bruce Mowbray: http://s0.ilike.com/play#Jeff+Buckle...add8183659c76c
Wol Euler: god, yes, what a wonderful song that is.
Eliza Madrigal: (we were in the bell time)
Wol Euler: gives me chills just to remember it
Wol Euler: hello ewan
SophiaSharon Larnia: ha I was going to paste a youtube vid
Wol Euler smiles
Archmage Atlantis: That and outhouses
Bruce Mowbray: go for it, Sharon.
Eliza Madrigal: ohhhh..... *that* Halleluja....
SophiaSharon Larnia: i shut the window, it was different song :)
Archmage Atlantis: Many paths there are.......we chose them as we need
Eliza Madrigal: chills and shivers :)
Wol Euler: hello yaku
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yaku
Ewan Bonham: yes, many paths..
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Yaku.
Ewan Bonham: hi Yaku
Wol Euler nods and has to blink a few times
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Archmage Atlantis: I know I've walked of the path when I start to sound like Yoda
Wol Euler: happens to the best of us, Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: :) - that is what brings me back, Wol *g*
SophiaSharon Larnia: hallelujah hallelujah
Eliza Madrigal: mmm... back to the open edges....
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Kiki
Eliza Madrigal: ledges...
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kiki , nice to see you! :)
Ewan Bonham: Bringing me back is my few moments per hour of stillness..
Archmage Atlantis: We are a species that was created to dance on the edge, imho....smile
Wol Euler: hello kiki
Kiki Walpanheim: hi
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Arch
Bruce Mowbray: hey, kiki.
Calvino Rabeni: @arch, life dances on the edge of chaos - every species - this defines life itself
Eliza Madrigal: We've been listening to Cohen's Hallelujah, though in this case, Jeff Buckley
Kiki Walpanheim: hey
Ewan Bonham: hi kiki
Kiki Walpanheim: hi
Eliza Madrigal: Something Eos quoted recently which has been coming up a lot today seems to fit.... “There is such a thing as unconditional experience that does not come from self or other. It manifests out of nowhere like mushrooms in a meadow, like hailstones, like thundershowers." -CTR
SophiaSharon Larnia: finds herself blinking too
Wol Euler smiles.
Bruce Mowbray: I heard someone say yesterday, ALL dharma takes lace "at the edge."
Archmage Atlantis: Yup, doesn't fit a known pattern
Ewan Bonham: Eliza, I prepare myself to receive that experience..
Bruce Mowbray: place.
Bruce Mowbray: breaking break with the darkness-unknown.
Wol Euler: do we know who or what "CTR" is?
Bruce Mowbray: bread.
Eliza Madrigal: Chogyam Trungpa, I believe
SophiaSharon Larnia: while I think I understand the sentiment of that statement, those things don'tmanifest out of nowhere
Wol Euler: ah, yes, that would make sense
Wol Euler: ty
SophiaSharon Larnia: words :)
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ So[hia
Archmage Atlantis: Ewan, prepare, yes, expect, perhaps, guarantee, never
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Arch
Eliza Madrigal: I think 'out of nowhere' is about immediacy
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Kiki Walpanheim: hi ewan....u know what....i heard rumors going that you are my alt
Wol Euler laughs
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha Kiki
Kiki Walpanheim: lol
Ewan Bonham: Kik ??
Bruce Mowbray: "out of nowhere" is also in keeping with the Time sessions notion of sheer awareness.
Eliza Madrigal: Kiki, when did you decide to come back to SL?
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Bruce
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bruce :)
Kiki Walpanheim: well.....the reactivation i too complex......actually i was trying to do it once and deactivate again to preserve inventory items
Kiki Walpanheim: then i think perhaps i can keep it......

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal has to go to WoK...
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Bye everyone :)
Wol Euler is going too, for a change
Kiki Walpanheim: but it is nice i've been in touch with Pab with emails
Wol Euler: bye everyone, take care
Ewan Bonham: Bye eliza
Kiki Walpanheim: bye eliza
Archmage Atlantis: One can have an alt in FL(RL)....just that the RL alt grows at a different rate, sometimes slower, sometimes faster.........it is what makes a relationship ((marriage)) so difficult
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza, and Wol!!
Kiki Walpanheim is observing how her alt-ewan looks like
Kiki Walpanheim: apparently not too much like her
Yakuzza Lethecus: actually, as i told you kiki that i thought of ewan as your alt once, but by now i know that he’s from florida but i wonder why you make it a subject
Kiki Walpanheim: tho he has two eyes, a nose, two ears...etc. too
SophiaSharon Larnia: have to go all :)) Have fun!
Ewan Bonham: Yes...just wondering
Bruce Mowbray: bye, sharon good luck with you report.
Bruce Mowbray: your.
Ewan Bonham: bye Sharon..
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you, you too!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ssl
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
Archmage Atlantis: The tigers await
Bruce Mowbray: None
Archmage Atlantis: Many
Bruce Mowbray: "None" is what I have to type to delete blub's label --- in this case "Radar" -- which he thought beeped too much.
Archmage Atlantis: press sau. yalku
Bruce Mowbray: sorry, Cal.
Yakuzza Lethecus: arch ?
Calvino Rabeni: What kind of Tiggers are those?
Archmage Atlantis: The mind.......
Calvino Rabeni: The big mind that holds us?
Archmage Atlantis: it is a part, imo, Cal
Archmage Atlantis: Hey Blub :)
Archmage Atlantis: Tiggers,. pooh and all such
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi qt
Bruce Mowbray: hi, Qt.
Calvino Rabeni: According to William Blake "The Tygers of wrath are wiser than the Horses of instruction"
Calvino Rabeni: I thought that to be a horse of a different color
Ewan Bonham: Well, folks, will have to go...ty for the feeling of community..
Yakuzza Lethecus got to get up in 5:30 hrs, good night
Kiki Walpanheim: see you , my alt
Archmage Atlantis: Telll me QT, is there only one reality
Qt Core: bye Ewan
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Bruce Mowbray: I need to go too -- Madam Librarian says, Scoot!
Bruce Mowbray: g'night.

--BELL--

Archmage Atlantis: Did I pass gas?
Qt Core: what i've done to get such a question Arch ? ;-)
Qt Core: but in the end just one, that we break in multiple reality for our convenience
Archmage Atlantis: To me. QT. that rings true
Qt Core: what may seems extraneous or separated are just like waves in a sea
Archmage Atlantis: agree
Qt Core: but then if you are a little ship those little waves are much more important than the calm sea thousands of miles away ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: agree
Qt Core: so Arch, why the question, was that the session topic ?
Archmage Atlantis: Sohowdoestbelittleshipgoon
Archmage Atlantis: Thetopic
Archmage Atlantis: Let me a moment
Qt Core: ok
Archmage Atlantis: For me it is Pema and Storm creating this space
Archmage Atlantis: Ade amd 3D working to make it
Archmage Atlantis: Many more words come into the mind]
Archmage Atlantis: None are more important
Qt Core: would pab work in a simple text chat ?
Qt Core: without this "personal presence"
Archmage Atlantis: Well, perhaps;;;;;less people would know I dozed off

--BELL--

Qt Core: :-)
Archmage Atlantis: Don't no why I wish to w=say this'
Archmage Atlantis: but it was said
Archmage Atlantis: Ichbinerlind=er====
Qt Core: there are many things that i said here at pab i don't know why, and sometimes even how and from where i got those
Qt Core: brb
Qt Core: back but i have to go in five min or less
Archmage Atlantis: Gottta go also, luv u guys
Calvino Rabeni: Any last words :) ?
Calvino Rabeni: <333 Archmage
Qt Core: ok, i'm called away, bye cal have fun
Calvino Rabeni: Bye QT you too :)