2010.08.20 06:00 - Our Selves Deeply

The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon Larnia.

A full group met at the pavilion for a very honest and open discussion of our experiences after practicing the exercises from chapter 3 of Pema’s book, Magic, A Reality Check. I didn’t realize when I offered to post this log how intensely rich this session would turn out to be. As I went through the log to highlight areas to point to, I found myself highlighting most of the text on the page (I listened to Bach while I did this, thanks Eliza!!).

   The greetings went on quite extensively this morning, so I have placed (most of) them at the bottom of this page.

Discussion about our Reports:

Pema Pera: I'm really struck by seeing again 8 reports on our web site, this week: 2010/08/20: Reports
Pema Pera: thank you so much!
Maxine Walden: yes, each one a gem!
Eliza Madrigal: indeed, a pleasure and comfort to read them
Pema Pera: It was striking to see how this week's exploration was digging deeply into some of our anxieties. Sharon wrote "for some reason I feel sorrow." Bleu saw "how fragile our sense of self really is". Maxine wrote about "fears of stopping", and Eliza wrote about "Needle's eye. The slice of a sword". Bruce wrote: "I could not `stay' with `being seen.' Something needed to return, almost desperately, again and again, to self."
Pema Pera: Hi Darren! Closing our circle
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Darren
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Darren
Bleu Oleander: hi Darren
Darren Islar: hi everyone :)
Maxine Walden: maybe we each need a rind or cover of some sort and to remain open, seen without that feels so exposing
Adams Rubble: Hello Darren :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Darren :)
Zen Arado: Hi Darren, Eden
Eliza Madrigal: And here is Eden, whose report about deer I thought captured a lot... a kind of alertness
Pema Pera: yes
Pema Pera: haiku style :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Maxine Walden: yes, marvelous, Eden
Pema Pera: and Adams, balancing the inner and outer -- I just read her report
Pema Pera: and Sharon, what a wonderful photograph -- how did you make that one? It's so expressive
Zen Arado: the bottom line of hiding is fear isn't it - as Maxine mentions
SophiaSharon Larnia: uh, by moving the picture around in gim and changing the opacity
SophiaSharon Larnia: gimp*
Eliza Madrigal: beautiful, Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, here Eden is really! hah... I'll give a note :)
Agatha Macbeth: Bonjour edie :)
Darren Islar: hi Eden
Bleu Oleander: hi Eden
Pema Pera: hi Eden!
Adams Rubble: Hello Eden :)
Fefonz Quan: hi Eden
Eden Haiku: smiles hello
Eliza Madrigal: Adams, I thought your report had a bit of the 'deer' feeling too... being caught somehow almost
Zen Arado: makes me think of disconnected distorted people Sharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh?
Adams Rubble: in the headlights :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: when i made it I heard tinkling glass
Pema Pera: I thought about flowers as snow flakes . . . floating together
Zen Arado: shapes are very suggestive of faces to me

--BELL--

Maxine Walden: I wonder whether the fear and dread we may feel, as expressed in nearly all the reports, maybe especially in Adams' might be related to the fantasies of dread we all carry deep down, fears, etc perhaps also expressed by the brutal projections in the film Inception
Darren Islar: hi Ewan
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Ewan
Pema Pera: hi Ewan!
Adams Rubble: Hello Ewan :)
Ewan Bonham: Hi folks!
Bleu Oleander: hi Ewan
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ewan
Zen Arado: hi Ewan
Fefonz Quan: Hiu Ewan
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Ewan

Pema Pera: and why do you think we have those fantasies, Maxine?

Agatha Macbeth: Certainly not the kind of fantasies i tend to have :p
Pema Pera is getting curious now about Aggie's fantasies . . .
Eliza Madrigal gives Pema and Ag 'the look'
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe i'll IM you Pem :D
Darren Islar: what do you mean with 'dread we all carry around' Maxine?

Maxine Walden: puzzling question, Pema, I think that they derive from our intense fantasies, experiences when we are very young and do not have sufficient ego/capacity to metabolize our feelings, ie feelings bigger than life which feel attacking to our vulnerable selves...something like that as starters
Pema Pera: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: ah, interesting re metabolization Maxine
Pema Pera: could it be that a tendency for the ego/self to hole up produces those fantasies as a back reaction?
Maxine Walden: hmm, protectively, I come to think, we project away into the 'out there' what we cannot bear to feel...thus dread of the 'unknown'
Maxine Walden: might be, Pema
Agatha Macbeth: The unknown is always threatening
Bruce Mowbray: "underneath" our concepts of "self," there is neurological wiring for survival: fight, flight, or freeze. . .
Zen Arado: but doesn't the mind produce the fantasies in the first place?
Pema Pera: perhaps when we open ourselves more and more, de-emphasizing the isolated-self picture, the dread loses its sting?
Pema Pera nods at Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: Perhaps the best cure for fear is knowledge

Eden Haiku: Being seen by the water coming from the shower, by the moss in the forest, by the iPad screen, by the clouds, I felt I was in danger of losing my mind. The world was so unknown. Yes, Maxine, it looked like I was a young child again, something like that.

Maxine Walden: seems so to me, Pema, as we open up, have courage at times to face that 'unknown' and see it is a fantasy rather than a real monster
Fefonz Quan: the dread seems like the automatic outcome of a self trying to defend itself, trying to find security in a world without change
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Eden.
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Pema...I feel that dread dissipate when around others in meaningful discourse
Darren Islar: a lot of dreads are connected to this fight, flight, freeze reaction, which makes them hard to approach
Pema Pera is enthralled at Eden's description
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Maxine Walden: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: so intense

Pema Pera: going beyond fight and flight seems to be the key -- and it is neither easy nor hard; it's beyond those two too
Eliza Madrigal: knowledge as cure.. Agatha I guess that is 'facing the unknown' at various levels...
Agatha Macbeth nods
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡
Agatha Macbeth: Taking the red pill maybe
Darren Islar: true Pema, fight and flight linger on the psychological level
Maxine Walden: Eliza, I felt so moved by your inclusion of the cello piece at the end of your report, as if that piece, which I was able to listen to provided the beauty and care which comforted the exposed soul
Bruce Mowbray: For me, it's important no let the "self" understand it does not have to be a "hero."
Ewan Bonham: Gradually reducing.. as i seek out discourse..
Zen Arado: or an inadequate failure
Darren Islar: :) Bruce
Zen Arado: neutrality required I think
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, thank you Maxine... It was very much like that for me too... the shakiness caused me to feel frantic then stretched ... like strings....
Bruce Mowbray: Bach's music reflects a profound faith in the Basic Goodness and balance of Being.
SophiaSharon Larnia: i felt like my bus stop arrived, and was time for me to get off the bus
Eliza Madrigal: and yes the beauty of the piece was then a balm
Ewan Bonham: The feeling of presence among others really helps..
Ewan Bonham: bach often wrote pieces to a heartbeat..
Pema Pera remembers Adam's bus stops . . .
Maxine Walden: yes, to Bruce, Eliza, Ewan...re Bach and the music

Eden Haiku: The whole experience reminds me of thus psychological process the "age of reason", you know, when a child is 7 years old? Something closes up, something sets in. Time to go school, time to learn what the world "is" and then you leave behind how you feel the world like a cat with its mustache...
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Pema Pera nods too
Eliza Madrigal wonders about bus stops...
Ewan Bonham: Yes, a turning point..
Maxine Walden: poignant and beautifully expressed, Eden
Ewan Bonham: In a way, years later, I have come full circle..
Fefonz Quan: /nods too, up to the cat part...
Zen Arado: returning to childhood...
Eliza Madrigal: heheh
Agatha Macbeth: The cat came back...
Eden Haiku: smiles at Fefonz...
Bruce Mowbray: @ Ewan, Does access to empathy (both sending and receiving) some part of why you seek discourse?
Bruce Mowbray: Is having access too. . .
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Bruce...a meeting of hearts and minds..
Adams Rubble muses: Looking at childhood to find the part of us that does not change
Eden Haiku: listening to the music in Eliza's work in progress report :) Beautiful, soothing.
Ewan Bonham: Helps me recognize there is connected oneness amongst us all..
Fefonz Quan: do we look for the part that does not change Adams?
Adams Rubble: why not?

--BELL--

Eden Haiku: The part that has direct access to the world. Open access.
Fefonz Quan: (maybe it is just another disguise for our fear of change, though a more 'spiritual' one)
Bleu Oleander: everything changes

Pema Pera: I'm really quite amazed at how effective the "being seen" exploration was, this week -- perhaps the most powerful one yet of all of our explorations so far; would you agree?
Agatha Macbeth: plus ca change plus la meme chose
Darren Islar: 'things' that don't change are frozen, can only be, no evil or good can come from it
Maxine Walden: agree, Pema
Bleu Oleander: agree Pema
Eden Haiku: agrees
Eliza Madrigal: not changing = not alive, strange to think we may fear living ... And definitely agree, Pema
SophiaSharon Larnia: it felt very different to me, and yes

Getting past our inner “hidden negative voices“…

Pema Pera: isn't it interesting how a seemingly rather "passive" exploration can be so effective, a bit puzzling . . .
Pema Pera: being seen
Pema Pera: letting oneself be seen
Darren Islar: ? Pema
Maxine Walden: I think we fear living in the unknown moment, without control, or knowing
Zen Arado: because it turns things around so much?
Bleu Oleander: fear of death ... the big one
Maxine Walden: yes, bleu
Darren Islar: what is a passive exploration, does that exist?
Eden Haiku: Yes Zen, I think the turning around is creating the fear
Pema Pera: letting oneself be seen seems more passive than trying to see something
Pema Pera: (@ Darren)
Fefonz Quan: yes, but the mind is not so passive at all, sometimes the opposite - as passive your action, as the mind starts going crazy
Darren Islar: I think there is fear and the turning around shows it
Pema Pera: yes
Darren Islar: fear wants to express itself, choosing anything that comes by
Pema Pera: smoking out what is hiding :)
Ewan Bonham: Release from fear can be a motivator..
Maxine Walden: but, perhaps not, Pema, because we then are 'seen' by our negative inner voices...etc, those dreads and we are fearful of them
Darren Islar: seems yes :)
Pema Pera: can you say more about that, Maxine?
Darren Islar: I don't know what the exercise was, but from what I hear here, it clearly made people look inside
Eden Haiku: My screen was seeing the zones of my brains in colors and lights as they were being activated ...
Darren Islar: I guess trying to see skips easily in making concepts
Pema Pera: at the end of chapter 3, Darren: Chapter 3: Magic, a Reality Check
Maxine Walden: Over the years I have become so impressed with the 'hidden' negative voices, which often deride us such as 'who do you think you are to have a new idea?' etc...those erosive voices which carry a lot of weight and 'convince' us of our smallness or endangerment
Darren Islar: yes, I understand Pema
Eden Haiku: thinking she might be a computer chip in a parallel life...
Pema Pera: :-)
Pema Pera: yes, Maxine, and daring to stand up to them, not buying into them, is a great challenge
 E wan Bonham: How can we get beyond those voices, Maxine?
Adams Rubble nods to maxine
Zen Arado: we should be able to laugh at those voices instead of take them seriously
Maxine Walden: might be ghosts from evolutionary past, when to be an individual was dangerous out of the herd/tribe them for now
Ewan Bonham: Befriending them...then releasing them..
Zen Arado: they are so silly sometimes when you really listen to them - in my case anyway
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Adams Rubble: Those negative voices include Things we pick up along the way...voices from people passing by
Zen Arado: or ask them - are you really sure of that - a la Byron Katie
Maxine Walden: maybe by step by step recognition that these are ghosts, 'old videos' as it were, and slowly just face them
Eden Haiku: oh that sounds very interesting Maxine, the individualizing aspect...
Fefonz Quan: Yes, voices of other people, agree Adams
Ewan Bonham: Yes, and gently challenging them..
Maxine Walden: to become an individual, to allow ourselves to see/be seen as an individual...may be 'dangerous' and deserve care and attention and some Bach for background
Bruce Mowbray agrees with Ewan about "befriending them."
Eden Haiku: When we are not aware of the ways of the world, when a little kid of 2-3 years old, we don't mind hearing the flowers and talking with the animals.
Darren Islar: :) Bach
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Eden..
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Pema Pera pondering Bachground
Maxine Walden: as little ones the flowers and animals are all part of our world, and we of them...no discrimination really until 'parent' 'teach' us otherwise
Darren Islar: :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Maxine Walden: :). Pema

Fefonz Quan: another exercise i practiced once is looking at yourself at the mirror for 5 minutes, 'been seeing' by yourself
Bleu Oleander: yes, Fef
Fefonz Quan: -i
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Fef...and speaking to yourself as well..
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, as in Bleu's report...
Eden Haiku: A Bachground background, how nice :)
Maxine Walden: and was it bleu whose report included that
Maxine Walden: mirror
Fefonz Quan: (fefonz looks down, have just revealed he didn't read ALL the reports, just some...)
Maxine Walden: :) )
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Eliza Madrigal: 'old friends' returning can do that ... you remember them, but you also remember yourself... a strange mirror
Maxine Walden: Fef, being seen?
Fefonz Quan: sure :-p
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Eliza
Maxine Walden: yes, Eliza, impressed with that image I think in your report

--BELL--

This exercise in relation to ‘Time’ and our memories…

Maxine Walden: for me, these exercises and confrontations with our old fears denote an aspect of Time which is so difficult to sometimes grasp: that the 'moment' is so richely hued by the 'past moments' so that there is no real separation of 'moments', all are linked
Darren Islar: yes, there is no independent 'now'
Fefonz Quan: or even obscured by the past moments till we have very hard time to see it
Pema Pera: one major challenges is to fully acknowledge the fears, yet totally not buying into the message of the fears

Zen Arado: but the past is only in our memories
Maxine Walden: agree heartily, Pema
Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, nods...
Adams Rubble notices that there are a myriad of ways to look at ourselves through others and wonders if this is the meaning of the earlier exercise "being Seeing"
Darren Islar: I'm not sure Zen
Fefonz Quan: yet the memories of the past happen right now Zen
Bleu Oleander: the past is what makes us who we are
Darren Islar: everything is packaged in thoughts and feelings, are they all ours?
Adams Rubble: We make our past what it was :)
Darren Islar: or do we share thoughts
Eliza Madrigal: not sure Bleu... even the past we see through the eyes of what we hope for the future us, at times....
Zen Arado: we construct it in the present
Ewan Bonham: blue...may i suggest, our perceptions and memories of the past may currently make us who we are..
Ewan Bonham: And we can shift those perceptions..
Ewan Bonham: In the present..
Bleu Oleander: yes, Ewan
Adams Rubble: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert..._b_683103.html
Bruce Mowbray: If, as Ewan said, we "befriend" all of our emotions, then there is no need for heroics regarding our memories or hopes.
Ewan Bonham: That is what I am doing in process right now..
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Burce.
Ewan Bonham: Bruce

Zen Arado: but we can't be dominated by the past?
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, the hero... thinking....
Darren Islar: is the past the past?
Eden Haiku: The post seems great Adams, thanks, Will read it later :)
Zen Arado: no - it is all in the present surely
Ewan Bonham: Darren...or is the past our memories and perceptions of the past?
Maxine Walden: (not typing a tome, just caught in some apparent typing groove, a glitch)
Darren Islar: or is past connected to feelings, thoughts that are still 'real' in the way we interact with each other
Adams Rubble: :)
Bleu Oleander: we're never actually in touch with the past ..... just our memories of it
Darren Islar: if we are connected, it would be strange to place our negative feelings in the past
Zen Arado: the past memories condition us in ways we might have to let go of
Maxine Walden: yes, thanks for the link, Adams
Ewan Bonham: Darren...until we can shift our way of reflecting upon them now..
Bruce Mowbray: We can be dominated by ANYTHING - but resting in an attitude of present equanimity and compassion toward ourselves balances is out - no longer "dominated" by anything.
Ewan Bonham: That happens for me, as i am talking with you all here..
Darren Islar: well, what I think is that there is no such thing as negativity or positive feelings
Agatha Macbeth: wb haz
Darren Islar: they are just there and will always be there
Agatha Macbeth: +S
Eliza Madrigal: wb Sharon :)
Adams Rubble: wb Sharon :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you :)
Ewan Bonham: wb Sharon
Eden Haiku: Sometimes, it might feel like falling back in a pool of emotions from the past, like being transported there.
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Eden...does feel that way..
Maxine Walden: It is inviting or compelling sometimes, Eden, to fall back thusly, I agree
Adams Rubble: Historians know the past will be reinterpreted and in that sense, the past changes with the present
Pema Pera: yes
Bleu Oleander: yes, Adams
Maxine Walden: interesting Adams
Maxine Walden: and it seems that we alter our memories over time, so the 'past' changes in that way too
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Maxine
Bleu Oleander: past is dynamic
Eliza Madrigal: so how could we possibly buy into something so easily tampered with?

Eden Haiku: As soon as we acknowledge we are finding ourselves in the same labyrinth of emotions, then we snap back into the now don't we?
Ewan Bonham: Maxine, i think we can do that consciously
Maxine Walden: agree, Eden and Ewan
Ewan Bonham: Eden, often..if i am in my right frame of mind..
Zen Arado: just seeing, becoming aware of them is often enough
Darren Islar: not necessarily Eden,
Bleu Oleander: don't have access to our non-conscious memories perhaps?
Fefonz Quan: (need to leave silently, bye all and enjoy the weekend)
Darren Islar: because often the awareness comes from the brains, from the thinking, acknowledgement needs to take place on every level
Bleu Oleander: act on us in ways we cannot know?
Ewan Bonham: by fef
Agatha Macbeth waves silently
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Fef :) thanks, you too
Zen Arado: bye Fef
Eden Haiku: whispering bye bye Fefonz...
Bleu Oleander: bye Fef
Pema Pera: bye Fef
Maxine Walden: Ah, it seems to me that we do not have full access to our unconscious emotions...and we can be caught off guard by them, and experience them as 'out of the blue' or attackers of a sort
Eliza Madrigal nods
Adams Rubble: The past is like our building blocks and toys of childhood, we can rearrange it, put it into new piles, and find new things....Past Playing :)
Eden Haiku: Dementors!
Eliza Madrigal: !
Eliza Madrigal: hehe
Maxine Walden: thus our dreads once again 'arise'
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡ Adam
Maxine Walden: lovely image, Adams
Adams Rubble: Past Seeing :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Bleu Oleander: past playing as being
Maxine Walden: PPAB?

On Empathy…

Darren Islar: but a thought: if we co-exist, how much of someone's suffering is ours, how much can we see or feel from those feelings?
Eden Haiku: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I've wondered the same thing Darren

--BELL--

Maxine Walden: for me, interesting question, Darren and that touches on our empathy...our feeling what others are experiencing
Eden Haiku: @Bleu I like very much "past playing as being"
Ewan Bonham: Darren, we are like individual threads in a tapestry..
Adams Rubble: good question Darren
Zen Arado: good analogy Darren
Adams Rubble: to darren's comment: we can feel Love and Compassion then
Ewan Bonham: Connected, yet with some integrity
SophiaSharon Larnia: empathy can lead to a feeling of fatigue

Pema Pera: thank you all so much for joining us here for this whole hour -- next week we'll work with the same exploration -- already looking forward to reading the new reports!
Darren Islar: yes I think compassion is always important
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you Pema! :)
Pema Pera: and we can keep talking of course -- just it will be Eliza's session
Bruce Mowbray thinks it is our connection to everything that GIVES us integrity.
Bleu Oleander: ty Pema :)
Maxine Walden: :), yes thanks Pema for thse chapters
Ewan Bonham: thank you, Pema
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... feeling lost this week I happened upon a compass...
Agatha Macbeth: Thanks Pem, take care
Bruce Mowbray: (thinks of Buckminster Fuller -- also of Indra's Net).
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods @ Bruce ^^
Darren Islar: but I mean, can we co-exist without having those feelings ourselves?
Eliza Madrigal: never noticed compass/compassion before... silly
Eden Haiku: Thanks Pema :)
Pema Pera: Buckminster's net . . .
Zen Arado: thanks Pema
Darren Islar: we like to put the negative feelings in the past
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Darren
Pema Pera: Indra's compass?
Eliza Madrigal: Thanks so much Pema and everyone, what a rich and warm session
Darren Islar: thanks Pema :)
Eliza Madrigal smiles, YES
Bruce Mowbray: This week's exercise was powerful!
Adams Rubble: Yes, thank you everyone

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Agatha Macbeth: I posted the log OK, no worries
Pema Pera: thanks Aggie!
Agatha Macbeth: Had to add a couple of bits from the chat log
Pema Pera: sorry to shove you when I entered, Sharon :)
Pema Pera: hi Zen!
SophiaSharon Larnia: no problem ;)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Zen
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi everyone
Pema Pera: Eliza is still all a-twirl?
Agatha Macbeth: She's a-here :)
Pema Pera: ah, there you are (^_^)
Pema Pera: a-leaping

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: Aha
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Zen, Ag, Pema, Sharon , Maxine, Bleu, Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Gosh I love Friday mornings :)
Maxine Walden: hi, everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya
Agatha Macbeth: Hello..er..everyone :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Maxine, Bruce, Yakuzza, Bleu, Adams :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning - day - evening everyone.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Bleu Oleander: hi all :)
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza, Maxine, Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: Hello Bleu, Adams, Fef
Agatha Macbeth: And hello Adams :)
Pema Pera: hi everybody!
Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
Zen Arado: Hi Adams, Fef
Agatha Macbeth: And Fonzie
Maxine Walden: hi, Adams and Fefonz, sharing a cushion
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Fefonz
Pema Pera: almost a full circle again . . .
Maxine Walden: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Fefonz Quan: The troubles of teleportation Maxine :)
Agatha Macbeth: Beam me up Scotty
Maxine Walden: :), Fef, know that well!
Fefonz Quan: How lucky we are we can't have it in RL
Maxine Walden: :))
Eliza Madrigal: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: I will post this weeks session, I haven't done it yet :)
Pema Pera: oh, thank you Sharon!
Agatha Macbeth: Hope the Autologger behaves itself...
Eliza Madrigal: give it 'the look' Agatha...?
Agatha Macbeth: Well it didn't this morning :(
Zen Arado: autologger withers
SophiaSharon Larnia: good thing I have logs saved option checked then
Maxine Walden: the power of seeing and being seen?
Pema Pera: did you show up on the log, after all, Agatha, for 1 am?
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, always a good option
Eliza Madrigal: "there there, auto-listener...its okay"
Pema Pera: hehehe
Agatha Macbeth: Well I did on the second one yes
Adams Rubble: When Wol's away, the autologers will play
Agatha Macbeth: On the first I had to c & p from my chat log
Pema Pera: good thing we came early :)
Maxine Walden: :)
Pema Pera: hahaha, Adams!
Eliza Madrigal: :))
Bleu Oleander: nothing "auto" about it?
SophiaSharon Larnia: oh Adams isn't that right
Maxine Walden: :)) bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Not on this occasion, no...