2010.08.19 13:00 - inception, IT security, bullfight, choices, consumerism...

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

Lia Rikugun: hello bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Lia. Good to see you again.
Lia Rikugun: thanks you too ;)
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, adoro.
adoro Rhapsody: no i see on the mini hello all
adoro Rhapsody: sorry
adoro Rhapsody: that was an old text
adoro Rhapsody: hi all
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Lia Rikugun: hi adoro
Bruce Mowbray: I trust that your global meeting went well this morning.
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Qt.
adoro Rhapsody: indeed
Bruce Mowbray: good.
Lia Rikugun: hi Qt
adoro Rhapsody: Hey!
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Qt Core: Hi Agatha
Bruce Mowbray: Good evening, aggers!
adoro Rhapsody: hi ag
Lia Rikugun: hi agatha
adoro Rhapsody: i have read more on the site kira.org
adoro Rhapsody: that is very interesting
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Yaku
adoro Rhapsody: hi yaku
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Yaku.
Qt Core: Hi Yaku
Lia Rikugun: hey yaku
Bruce Mowbray: What did you find there, adoro?
adoro Rhapsody: do u have japanese perticipants in this sessions too ?
adoro Rhapsody: participants
Bruce Mowbray: yes.
adoro Rhapsody: i suppose they come on otherv times ?
adoro Rhapsody: other
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps Lia or aggers or Yaku can answer that better than I.
Lia Rikugun: probably they would come at 7am :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: from my experience the japanese ppl stay at their tuesday session in the cafe
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t know anyone who joins pab
adoro Rhapsody: well i should look it up on the site
Bruce Mowbray: All I know for sure is that there is a Japanese section in the sim -- so I assumed that they also came here.
Bruce Mowbray: Pema is in Tokyo right now, as you are probably aware.
adoro Rhapsody: i thought of an experiment of ongoing discussion over the sessions
Bruce Mowbray listens intently.
Agatha Macbeth: It's about 4AM there now
adoro Rhapsody: starting with asia /australia and than next session europe and than america
adoro Rhapsody: so we could discus a theme all over the world
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Well, I think we're doing that right now, or am I wrong?
adoro Rhapsody: but maybe u have allready experimented that
adoro Rhapsody: now only europe ans america ?
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry, I missed the beginning of this, what are we discussing?
adoro Rhapsody: and
Bruce Mowbray: adoro is wondering whether we are joined here by folks from the Far East.
adoro Rhapsody: sorry its an idea of 2 sessions before
Lia Rikugun: hello arch
Agatha Macbeth: Dunno
adoro Rhapsody: hi arch
Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Arch.
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: helon lila
Qt Core: Hi Arch
Archmage Atlantis: hi aggie
Agatha Macbeth: Kiki is from China I think
Archmage Atlantis: hola qt
Bruce Mowbray: Where is Hokon from?
Agatha Macbeth: I *thought* Canada, could be wrong
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: mmmm.
Archmage Atlantis: I think there will come a day, when the far east will meet the west here.........I do not feel it has borne fruit so far
Archmage Atlantis: Fruit Trees require time
Agatha Macbeth: Gaya is from Korea of course, but lives in England
adoro Rhapsody: but we can plant the seeds for it
Yakuzza Lethecus: only tarmel is from australia
adoro Rhapsody: ok
adoro Rhapsody: thankx
Yakuzza Lethecus: sophia placebo is from saudi arabia but she left
Agatha Macbeth: :(
Yakuzza Lethecus: hokon is from chicago btw
Bruce Mowbray: Can you say a bit more about your "experiment," adoro?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah right, thx
Archmage Atlantis: Many game players on facebook use kanji as primary name symbols
adoro Rhapsody: i discussed with bruce that this might be a chance for planting the seeds of peace
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Archmage Atlantis: I must diffe
adoro Rhapsody: what is deffe ?
adoro Rhapsody: diffe ?
Agatha Macbeth: differ
Archmage Atlantis: differ
Agatha Macbeth: snap
adoro Rhapsody: what does that mean ?
Archmage Atlantis: those seeds were planted long ago........they require nurture
adoro Rhapsody: ok
adoro Rhapsody: continuous attention
adoro Rhapsody: and fostering
Archmage Atlantis: *bows*
adoro Rhapsody: wow this may sound to utopian
adoro Rhapsody: too
adoro Rhapsody: or too softy
adoro Rhapsody: but we can try
Bruce Mowbray muses: No dreams too large.
Archmage Atlantis: Softy? to stand and be, that is never soft.
adoro Rhapsody: all according the film "incepption"
Archmage Atlantis: To scare and run, spread panic.......that is soft
adoro Rhapsody: not according to but other word
Lia Rikugun: i am still thinking about that movie :)
Bruce Mowbray: me too - - Can't stop thinking about it.
Agatha Macbeth: So is everyone else it seems
adoro Rhapsody: so we discusseed about it security
adoro Rhapsody: IT-security
Lia Rikugun: ok
Qt Core: i'm going to take a plane to the usa to see it, can't wait next month here ;-)
adoro Rhapsody: and how we combatt hackers all over the world
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, adoro and I had a big talk about IT-security.
Lia Rikugun: what really?
Agatha Macbeth: Now THAT is a question Adoro!
Lia Rikugun: qt you dont have the movie in the theaters?
Archmage Atlantis: The best guardian of locks, is the entity who once picked them
Qt Core: 24 september it seems
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
adoro Rhapsody: wow
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: we wont tell anything then ;)
adoro Rhapsody: the rat race where eveil is almost faster tthan de good ones
adoro Rhapsody: evil
Bruce Mowbray: One can get a full synopsis of the movie at imdb.com
adoro Rhapsody: thnx
Qt Core: best it security tools... an insulated scissor and a big red switch ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: That could work...
adoro Rhapsody: ok
Bruce Mowbray: Let's not destroy the global village in order to save it.
Lia Rikugun: hello morgano
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Morg :)
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, morgano.
adoro Rhapsody: good saying !
adoro Rhapsody: hi morg
Qt Core: hi Morgano
morgano Bravin: Hiya everyone
adoro Rhapsody: but we can talk about other things less heavy
Agatha Macbeth: Feathers?
adoro Rhapsody: hahaha
Agatha Macbeth: :p
adoro Rhapsody: wings ?
Bruce Mowbray: I am glad to have you on the front lines of Internet security, adoro.
adoro Rhapsody: its my pleasure
Agatha Macbeth: Just call him Firewall Rhapsody
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
adoro Rhapsody: so we can laugh !
Agatha Macbeth: We can too
Bruce Mowbray: It's a hard job, but someone has to do it.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
adoro Rhapsody: maybe time for orinoko ?
Bruce Mowbray: go for it.
Agatha Macbeth: As Hawkeye Pierce once said 'laughing is the only thing that stops me from screaming'
Bruce Mowbray: but you better spell it right.
adoro Rhapsody: i have lost the right password
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Can a wall be built that a ghost cannot walk through?.......For a ghost to exist, it cannot experience a wall.....a conundrum.
adoro Rhapsody: wow
Bruce Mowbray doesn't believe in walls.
adoro Rhapsody: ghost wall insead of firewall
adoro Rhapsody: in stead
Agatha Macbeth: Another brick in the wall
adoro Rhapsody: we dont need no education
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
adoro Rhapsody: we doont need no mind conytrol
adoro Rhapsody: i am gonna watch roger waters in the wall concert in april 2011
adoro Rhapsody: in holland
Agatha Macbeth: Ooh, lucky you
Bruce Mowbray: Wow -- great!
adoro Rhapsody: super !!!
Agatha Macbeth is jealous
adoro Rhapsody: i am preparing for it now
Lia Rikugun: hello arabella
Agatha Macbeth: Oops, we lost Morgano
adoro Rhapsody: hi ara
Agatha Macbeth: And gained Ara :)
Bruce Mowbray is comfortably numb with envy.
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Qt Core: hi Ara
arabella Ella: :)
adoro Rhapsody: amuded to death
Bruce Mowbray: Greeting, arabella.
Archmage Atlantis: brick......defininition.......a solid retangular object formed of dry clay alalgimated with other atomic based objects
adoro Rhapsody: amused
adoro Rhapsody: wow archi
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, adoro -- Arabella is from Malta, I think.
Agatha Macbeth: But don't forget the mortar
adoro Rhapsody: ok
arabella Ella: is there a connection adoro?
Agatha Macbeth: wb Morg
Bruce Mowbray: wb, morgano.
adoro Rhapsody: same time as austraila ?
arabella Ella: noooooo I am on CET
morgano Bravin: hi,,sorry i didnt know i had crashed
Agatha Macbeth: Malta is on the same time as Australia?
Lia Rikugun: wb morgano
morgano Bravin: :(
arabella Ella: LOL
Bruce Mowbray: same time as Italy.
Yakuzza Lethecus smiles
arabella Ella: wb morgano
Yakuzza Lethecus: wb morg
adoro Rhapsody: ok european yime
morgano Bravin: ty
Agatha Macbeth: Must have moved some then
adoro Rhapsody: time
arabella Ella: yes same as germany, italy, etc
adoro Rhapsody: and holland ?
arabella Ella: but tell me what is the connection?
Archmage Atlantis: I get Malta mixed up with malta.....the latin american beverage
arabella Ella: never heard of it Arch
Agatha Macbeth: Don't know that one Arch
Bruce Mowbray: Adoro is invisioning a world-wide community experiment.
adoro Rhapsody: i like to contact with asian or austrailan participants
Archmage Atlantis: Um, mon
arabella Ella: ah apologies adoro I don't fit those criteria yet
Bruce Mowbray: Malta milk?
Agatha Macbeth groans
Bruce Mowbray: make mine chocolate.
adoro Rhapsody: sorry for your president
arabella Ella: Maltesers perhaps?
adoro Rhapsody: he passed away ?
Agatha Macbeth: ??
adoro Rhapsody: i read on wikipedia
Agatha Macbeth: President?
arabella Ella: yes he did and i went to pay my respects and saw him lying in state
Archmage Atlantis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink)
Yakuzza Lethecus is getting hungry
Lia Rikugun: hello calvino
adoro Rhapsody: he was a good man i saw on youtube
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal :)
Archmage Atlantis: Being in S FL. lots of latin american influence
Qt Core: hi Cal
adoro Rhapsody: hi cal
arabella Ella: yes adoro he was well respected in many countries
Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone - good day :)
arabella Ella: actually i saw the PM of Kuwait when I went to pay my respects he was here fo the funeral on monday
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey cal :)
arabella Ella: Hiya Calvino
Bruce Mowbray: Greetings, Calvino.
Agatha Macbeth: I'm ashamed to say I can't even remember his name
adoro Rhapsody: see wikipedia
adoro Rhapsody: newsw of yesterday
adoro Rhapsody: headpage
Agatha Macbeth: If I don't know his name how can i ? [grin]
arabella Ella: yes
arabella Ella: thanks!
arabella Ella: dont worry your pretty brains Ags
Bruce Mowbray: George Abuela?
Agatha Macbeth: I try not to
arabella Ella: if you dont remember surely it cant be important
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, thx
Archmage Atlantis: Easy, Aggie.....search by deeds
Bruce Mowbray: no -- Abela.
arabella Ella: no George is our president at the moment he is still alive
Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
Agatha Macbeth: Now I'm lost
arabella Ella: the one who passed away was Guido De Marco ex-President and ex-Politician
Bruce Mowbray: oh, sorry George.
Agatha Macbeth: Oh right
Archmage Atlantis: What the entity has contributed
Archmage Atlantis: deeds
adoro Rhapsody: it tracked my attention because my son is called Marco
arabella Ella: oh I see well we have lots of Italian surnames here and many from other nearby countries too
Qt Core: on the 17th we italians lost a former president too
arabella Ella: De Marco is an italian surname
adoro Rhapsody: of course
arabella Ella: oh yes Cossiga Qt, my condolences to the people of Italy too
adoro Rhapsody: but i dont wanna set a funeral mood
Qt Core: how you could with such a bright tshirt ? ;-)
adoro Rhapsody: maybe we can talk about something else
adoro Rhapsody: thats only outside
morgano Bravin: I think we mis the point,,after all funeral begins with the word fun
Bruce Mowbray: onigokko
adoro Rhapsody: hahah
Bruce Mowbray: stop
adoro Rhapsody: oh i lossed my orinoko attatchment
Archmage Atlantis: A passage into death is an odessy completed......a time for rejoicing for the soul who walked this world
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's in Brazil
adoro Rhapsody: hahaha
Bruce Mowbray: There's one for you, adoro.
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: thnx
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Bruce Mowbray offers a peace dove t-shirt to whomever wants one (free, of course).
Agatha Macbeth holds up her hand
Lia Rikugun: i want to see too :)
arabella Ella: me tooooo pls Bruce!
Archmage Atlantis: Sure, that sounds nice Bruce
Agatha Macbeth: ty :)
Lia Rikugun: hehe
adoro Rhapsody: wow
arabella Ella: thanks Bruce!
Lia Rikugun: yes thank you
Bruce Mowbray: You are all welcome.
Lia Rikugun: its bright blue! :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sure is
adoro Rhapsody: out of the blue
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
adoro Rhapsody: blue genes or jeans
Agatha Macbeth: Gene Pitney
adoro Rhapsody: delft blue
Bruce Mowbray: If you are Na'vi, then it's blue genes. Otherwise, probably jeans.
arabella Ella: ah we have had a few Na@Vi friends here in the past
arabella Ella: but now they seem to be back to being human
Archmage Atlantis: Ah....what does it mean to be Na'vi?
adoro Rhapsody: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Blue
adoro Rhapsody: explain
adoro Rhapsody: i dont understand
Agatha Macbeth wonders if the Na'avi sing the blues
adoro Rhapsody: na ? vi ?
Archmage Atlantis: The Na'vi were envisioned as a people, with beliefs
adoro Rhapsody: ok
arabella Ella: they had Na@Vi avatars just like in the movie Avatar
adoro Rhapsody: ok i missed that film
Lia Rikugun: (sorry will go to bed, my eyes are closing .. :) nice to see you, good night!
arabella Ella: good night Lia
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Lia
Yakuzza Lethecus: night lia
adoro Rhapsody: good sleep
Lia Rikugun: gute nacht!
Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Lia.
Lia Rikugun: and good dreams
Qt Core: night Lia
morgano Bravin: i pickture them singing that village people song,,in the na vi
Yakuzza Lethecus: btw. agatha do you know that there is a st agatha on malta ?
Yakuzza Lethecus: http://stagathamalta.com/
morgano Bravin: bye Lia
Archmage Atlantis: IMO (rarely humble as it should be) , the Na'vi were a vision of a possible future for the children of humaniity
Agatha Macbeth: Only on Malta?
arabella Ella: actually St Agatha is the patron saint of Sicily which is close to us
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, Sicilia
arabella Ella: don't ask how she was martyred
Yakuzza Lethecus: ok propably there are a few dozen :)
adoro Rhapsody: ok bruce thnx
arabella Ella: poor girl
Agatha Macbeth: ty Bruce :)
adoro Rhapsody: i sea
arabella Ella: thanks Bruce :)
adoro Rhapsody: i see
adoro Rhapsody: like the blue heads
morgano Bravin: tx bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Once again, you are all welcome. That is my "desktop wallpaper."
adoro Rhapsody: or mr. blue
Agatha Macbeth: It's a picture of Bert ;-)
adoro Rhapsody: or pino ?
arabella Ella: how lovely it is wow
adoro Rhapsody: bluebird
arabella Ella: such sad eyes though
Agatha Macbeth: He's probably been through a lot
Bruce Mowbray: It is the very last image in the entire movie.
Archmage Atlantis: It is the picture of a cat-man entity.....the eys the nose, they are feline
Bruce Mowbray: yes, definitely feline.
arabella Ella: cats dont have noses like that?
morgano Bravin: I prefered cat woman
Agatha Macbeth: Me too :)
morgano Bravin: she was a cool person
adoro Rhapsody: i prefer tiger
Agatha Macbeth: Ah well, time to WoK, bye all
Archmage Atlantis: Mine do, perhaps because they are bengals. a breed that is part SE Asian wildcat
arabella Ella: bye Agatha
morgano Bravin: bye ags
Bruce Mowbray: Good night, aggers.
Archmage Atlantis: Nitey nite aggy
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: good nite ag
Qt Core: time to go for me too, bye all and have fun!
adoro Rhapsody: by ciao
Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Qt.
Yakuzza Lethecus: night everryone
arabella Ella: notte Qt
adoro Rhapsody: tnx bruce again
adoro Rhapsody: for tiger shirt
Archmage Atlantis: Yes time to go, to think, to dance, to love, to be....Blessings and Namaste all
Bruce Mowbray: you're welcome.
adoro Rhapsody: namaste
arabella Ella: nite Yaku and all leaving
Bruce Mowbray: Good night, Arch.
adoro Rhapsody: nite ara
Bruce Mowbray: Good nightm ara.
adoro Rhapsody: or arch
arabella Ella: did any of you see the news about the wild bull in a bullring
arabella Ella: which leapt up into the crowds?
Bruce Mowbray: Nope -- What happened?
arabella Ella: and created panic and havoc
Bruce Mowbray: where?
morgano Bravin: nite everyone who left while i was in im
Calvino Rabeni: I've seen video of that happening in the past
arabella Ella: well i watched it on Euronews they have a bit called 'No Comment' and it looked absolutely awful
Calvino Rabeni: Those beast can jump much higher than you would expect
arabella Ella: seems like it happened today or yesterday
arabella Ella: but i have no clue where could be spain
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Eliza.
morgano Bravin: Hi Eliza
arabella Ella: since it was also in headlines for Sky News on TV but then they got Hilary Clinton speaking at the UN General Assembly about help for the terrible Pakistan disaster
arabella Ella: Hiya Eliza what a lovely dress!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi, guys. Apologies... am on my way to the wok workshop :) Thanks Ara :))
morgano Bravin: I only went to see one bullfight,,it was sad to see people enjoying it
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I am admiring the dress at close range.
Eliza Madrigal giggles... sorry about that Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: np ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye for now
arabella Ella: bye Eliza!
Bruce Mowbray: Gone so soon?
morgano Bravin: I was told it was a non violent type of bulfight,,but the bulls still got spiked
arabella Ella: i doubt whether a bullfight can ever be non violent
adoro Rhapsody: letting go
morgano Bravin: I was somewhat niave
adoro Rhapsody: only as a computer game
morgano Bravin: u know what i mean
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: yes of course
adoro Rhapsody: bull fight simulator
adoro Rhapsody: just as war games
arabella Ella: does that exist adoro?
adoro Rhapsody: or flight simulator
morgano Bravin: I have seen those bull stimulators
adoro Rhapsody: not yet is suppose
adoro Rhapsody: i supose
arabella Ella: it is funny how perceptions about things change though
arabella Ella: there was a time when they were considered quasi romantic
adoro Rhapsody: of course
morgano Bravin: bulls?
adoro Rhapsody: thants the influence of games
arabella Ella: and nowadays cruelty to animals and barbarian
adoro Rhapsody: that's
adoro Rhapsody: maybe
Bruce Mowbray: I am a hypocrite -- I eat them but don't want them killed for entertainment.
adoro Rhapsody: ok
Bruce Mowbray: I wish I were vegan, though.
arabella Ella: well Bruce there are different ways of killing animals for food
arabella Ella: and a bullfight is possibly one of the most barbaric
Bruce Mowbray: yes, but none of them "work" for me --
morgano Bravin: I nearly went veggie the other day whilst watching pictures of the holocaust
adoro Rhapsody: well it dont seems to be necesary
Bruce Mowbray: yes, morgano, I do understand that.
adoro Rhapsody: to kill animals
arabella Ella: yes very true
Bruce Mowbray: It taken ten pounds of grain to raise one pound of cattle.
adoro Rhapsody: but it attrackts so many atchers
adoro Rhapsody: watchers
morgano Bravin: the longer time goes the more dificult i find it that people can kill someone elses loved ones
Bruce Mowbray: Not ecologically a sound way to go.
adoro Rhapsody: sure
adoro Rhapsody: not efficient too
Bruce Mowbray: (I meant about the cattle -- not the Holocaust.)
adoro Rhapsody: of course
morgano Bravin: yes bruce,,its ok
Bruce Mowbray: or to kills ANYONE for ANY "reason" whatsoever.
adoro Rhapsody: applause
morgano Bravin: I am sorry i brought up the holocaust
Bruce Mowbray: [`·.] APPLAUSE!! [.·´]
adoro Rhapsody: its seems to be human to be unhuman
Bruce Mowbray: No -- morgano -- the Holocaust is something all humanity will remember as long as we exist.
arabella Ella: yes i agree I am a pacifist myself
arabella Ella: but sometimes there are difficulties
morgano Bravin: but, if we can kill people in their masses and forget the sencient notion of it,,what hope have animals got
arabella Ella: like for example i was at the beach yesterday morning
Bruce Mowbray: indeed, morgano.
arabella Ella: and the kids were catching jelly fish
adoro Rhapsody: cats also play with fishes
arabella Ella: oh cats are hunters they catch anything that moves
adoro Rhapsody: maybe some humans were so too ?
adoro Rhapsody: we had hunters and collectors
arabella Ella nods
adoro Rhapsody: in ancient times
morgano Bravin: well,,i am sure humans are hunters
arabella Ella: fishing too
adoro Rhapsody: but collectors too
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: this is chinese year of the tiger
arabella Ella: wow
adoro Rhapsody: so i am glad with my shirt
arabella Ella: nice t-shirt adoro can see it now
adoro Rhapsody: and i wanna meet chinese participants here
adoro Rhapsody: in pab
adoro Rhapsody: is that possibible ?
adoro Rhapsody: possible
adoro Rhapsody: ?
Bruce Mowbray: The tiger is also Princeton University's mascot.
adoro Rhapsody: wow
arabella Ella: well i guess the best thing to do would be first to visit some chinese sims on SL
arabella Ella: then invite some of them to PaB
adoro Rhapsody: ok
adoro Rhapsody: thats a good tip
arabella Ella: while exploring one day i did come across some Japanese sims
arabella Ella: however i guess you also gotta consider time zone differences
adoro Rhapsody: but shanghai rated harvard university as no. 1
adoro Rhapsody: in the world
morgano Bravin: is there a kathmandu sim?
adoro Rhapsody: and here in pab are harvard people is thought
adoro Rhapsody: i thought
arabella Ella: there are also chinese language and chinese culture classes which I once came across but I dont have the details
adoro Rhapsody: yes i saw them too
arabella Ella: i am not sure but i also think there is the world expo in Shangai at the moment
adoro Rhapsody: but talking about TAO cannot without chines
adoro Rhapsody: yes till october 2010
adoro Rhapsody: world expo in shanhai
adoro Rhapsody: when i see bruce i remember
adoro Rhapsody: i rtalk about the outer world
adoro Rhapsody: but i have to look inside my own winner world
Bruce Mowbray: Me?
adoro Rhapsody: inner
adoro Rhapsody: world
arabella Ella: yes there was a good bit of the Euronews Reporter section today on the Shaingai Expo
adoro Rhapsody: thats the key to relaxation
Bruce Mowbray: Well, folks, this has been a relaxing conversation -- and I now need to get some supper.
adoro Rhapsody: involution
adoro Rhapsody: heve nice meqal
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks to everyone.
adoro Rhapsody: and yhnx
adoro Rhapsody: thnx
adoro Rhapsody: for shirts
Calvino Rabeni: Goodbye Bruce
morgano Bravin: bye
adoro Rhapsody: what is the opposite of orientation ?
Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, disorientation?
adoro Rhapsody: westeritation ?
Calvino Rabeni: Or Westernization?
adoro Rhapsody: ok
adoro Rhapsody: thnx
adoro Rhapsody: when u say west or east u think yourself in the center of the world
adoro Rhapsody: that is ego centric
adoro Rhapsody: since we learned that the world is round
arabella Ella nods
adoro Rhapsody: west an east are relative
arabella Ella: but i dont think you meant orientation adoro
arabella Ella: i think you meant Orientalism or something similar
adoro Rhapsody: sure
adoro Rhapsody: u r right
adoro Rhapsody: ara
adoro Rhapsody: orientalism
adoro Rhapsody: was a way of lokking away for the problems
adoro Rhapsody: looking
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: so the opposite of orientalism can be focus on the local problem
adoro Rhapsody: east west home best
arabella Ella: what is the local problem adoro?
adoro Rhapsody: crisis ?
adoro Rhapsody: financial political etc
arabella Ella: oh you means the problems of europe and the US?
adoro Rhapsody: oh ara
Calvino Rabeni: That is true, adoro - eastern thinking is more about context and negative space
Calvino Rabeni: western about figure - thus the focus on problems
Calvino Rabeni: but no on where they come from
adoro Rhapsody: i fall in my own trap
adoro Rhapsody: i saw worldproblems as local problems
adoro Rhapsody: but they are both
arabella Ella: yes
morgano Bravin: the world is small now
adoro Rhapsody: thanks to global village
adoro Rhapsody: so ways for solution can me uposcaling or downscaling
adoro Rhapsody: can be
adoro Rhapsody: upscaling
arabella Ella: but is the world only perceived as small for us who use digital technology and who have access to media ... what about those without would they too perceive the world as small?
adoro Rhapsody: sure another eye-opener !
adoro Rhapsody: mind the digital gap
arabella Ella nods
adoro Rhapsody: its not fair
arabella Ella: on one hand it is not fair, but on the other hand should we impose our standards on everyone else?
arabella Ella: other people may be living happy simple lives
morgano Bravin: I think that those that do not take time to notice the smallness of the world are not interested enough to care
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, ara
Calvino Rabeni: they may be happier without freedom of choice
arabella Ella: we can help with clean water and health but values is another thing altogether
adoro Rhapsody: ok
arabella Ella: who says they dont have freedom of choice at another more simple level?
adoro Rhapsody: of course
arabella Ella: many of us dont have freedom of choice due to economic problems or similar
morgano Bravin: many things we have can be viewed as aaan impossition
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, they may experience it as freedom
arabella Ella: here on this little island we dont have freedom of choice for everything due to economy of scale
morgano Bravin: look at the freedom of women,,now they can work all day and not see their family,,feel stressed at the additional responsibilities etc
arabella Ella: and after having visited different countries in Asia many times I think we have lost all aspects of simplicity in our lives and replaced that with excessive consumerism
adoro Rhapsody: since emanipated women did smoke more
adoro Rhapsody: and hand second cars to drive with
adoro Rhapsody: thats wealth ?
morgano Bravin: yes, one car was enough for the family when i was a child
Calvino Rabeni: This woman studied choice and culture in an interesting way:
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/18/books/review/Postrel-t.html
arabella Ella: well i know lots of women who dont work but their husbands then have two or three jobs and never see the kids cos they are always working
adoro Rhapsody: thats wealth ?
Calvino Rabeni: She found people generally happier in restrictive cultures
Calvino Rabeni: which was unexpected and also contrary to the american mystique
morgano Bravin: good point cal
adoro Rhapsody: thats an aye opener too
adoro Rhapsody: eye
arabella Ella: I can understand that from some personal experience
arabella Ella: there is also a Ted video on the topic but I dont have the link
adoro Rhapsody: western woman and the supermarket live ?
morgano Bravin: consumerism invented omens liberty
morgano Bravin: womens*
Calvino Rabeni: She had an advantage for understanding, of being mixed culture - American / Sikh in her case
adoro Rhapsody: wow
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Calvino Rabeni: and she analyzes the history of the idea of choice and consumerism, american style, pretty well
arabella Ella: oh yes the Ted video if I remember is by Barry Schwartz who is mentioned in the article you gave the link to
morgano Bravin: sounds like she knows what I mean
adoro Rhapsody: thnax for tips
adoro Rhapsody: i go searching
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.ted.com/talks/sheena_iyengar_on_the_art_of_choosing.html
adoro Rhapsody: its intersting stuff
adoro Rhapsody: interesting
arabella Ella: yes that's it
arabella Ella: but schwarz also has a ted video if i remember correctly
adoro Rhapsody: ladies and gentleman i have to go to sleep
arabella Ella: oh
arabella Ella: good night adoro
adoro Rhapsody: yhnx for interesting discussion
arabella Ella: i must go too
arabella Ella: good night everyone!
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there are different styles - some authors seek to stir controversy - or create a polemic - other go for understanding and loosening the whole picture
morgano Bravin: goodnight Adoro
Calvino Rabeni: Good night then, thanks, see you later :)
morgano Bravin: goodnight Cal,,c u around
Calvino Rabeni: Take care Morgano - sleep well :)