2010.08.22 07:00 - It's a School, Isn't it?

The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray who filled in for an absent Adams who then posted the log and Bruce's pictures mostly without comment. Thanks Bruce!

Something is Fishy in Bieup

Eos Amaterasu: 'morning, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Eos.
Bruce Mowbray: How's life in Halifax today?
Eos Amaterasu: Nice crisp clear day....
Eos Amaterasu: How's Ohio?
Bruce Mowbray: Great.
Bruce Mowbray: A cold front came through yesterday - so we've cooled down a lot -- Much more comfortable.
Bruce Mowbray: Do you know anything about these four blue fish swimming to my right?
Eos Amaterasu: Hmm....doesn't seem to be an avatar
Bruce Mowbray: Nope. They've been here for two days and no one seems to know how they got here.
Eos Amaterasu: They belong to Mick (free to copy)
Bruce Mowbray: Mickorod -- OK. He was here a couple of days ago. He probably left them, then.
Eos Amaterasu: would they be happier in the pool?
Eos Amaterasu: or maybe making friends with your fish?
Bruce Mowbray: I think thy might!
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Sharon.
Bruce Mowbray: they.
SophiaSharon Larnia: good morning Bruce and Eos :)
Eos Amaterasu: http://www.american-buddha.com/fish.wise.htm
Eos Amaterasu: 'morning, SSL!
Byron Tennyson: Hi Bruce, Eos
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Byron
Byron Tennyson: How's it going?
Eos Amaterasu: it's easy, man :-)
Byron Tennyson: Good to hear it :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Byron.
Byron Tennyson: Yo Bruce
SophiaSharon Larnia: brb have to relog, frozen in lag-space
Bruce Mowbray: Good to see you've made it back.
Eos Amaterasu: lag-space: Second Life limbo
Byron Tennyson: And hello Sharon, sorry didn't see you arrive
Bruce Mowbray: OK, SSL -- Hurry back.
Byron Tennyson: Oh dear
Bruce Mowbray: It happens to all of us at one time or another, Bryon.
Byron Tennyson: Yep, true :(
Byron Tennyson: Such is SL
Byron Tennyson: wb Sharon
Bruce Mowbray: Since you've been here before, you're already aware that our chats are published in the wiki -- and that's O with you, Byron?
SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you :)
Byron Tennyson: Sure thing :)
Bruce Mowbray: cool. Thanks.
Bruce Mowbray: wp. Sharon!
Bruce Mowbray: wb.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
Bruce Mowbray is thinking about the poem about Samsara fish dying in the air...
Byron Tennyson: Don't know that one
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.american-buddha.com/fish.wise.htm
Bruce Mowbray: Eos shared it just before you arrived, Byron.
Eos Amaterasu: what keeps the fish of subconscious gossip going it the addiction to getting the next thing, the next scoop
Byron Tennyson: Just lookin...
Eos Amaterasu: drop the "getting to next", and you're just here
--BELL--
Byron Tennyson: coemergent wisdom eh?...heavy stuff
Eos Amaterasu: how about in next 90 secs looking at the fish as they arise?
Byron Tennyson: That is a really good image, the fish rising out of the deep into the air
Byron Tennyson: Kinda like waking out of dreams
SophiaSharon Larnia: your school of fish there Bruce, that's what i was seeing too
Bruce Mowbray: Whenever I hear the term "subconscious," I am reminded of the subconscious 'projections' of dreamers in the movie INCEPTION.
Byron Tennyson: The ocean deep is a great motif for the subconscious
Byron Tennyson: Ah, Inception
Eos Amaterasu: Bruce has gone straight to vajrayana visualization of his subconscious gossip....
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Byron Tennyson grins
Byron Tennyson likes Subconscious gossip
Eos Amaterasu: Mick left a few of his subconscious thoughts behind
SophiaSharon Larnia: was thinking of a joyful swim throught hte water, with nothing really sticking for long
Byron Tennyson: Are fish a common motif hereabouts?
Eos Amaterasu hopes someone took a photo of that school of fish....

Byron Tennyson: Not me sadly :(
Eos Amaterasu: I like that image, SophiaSharon
Bruce Mowbray: Wekk, Byron, Blub (my orbiting blue fish) usually comes along with me - otherwise they are not that common -- except sunconsciously, of course.
SophiaSharon Larnia: what does, 'with the net of your good posture' mean?
Bruce Mowbray: I will bring back my sub-conscious fish so someone can get a photo of them - if they want to.
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Eos Amaterasu: I think that means that you are holding yourself up as a human being
Byron Tennyson: 'Sub conscious fish' - I love it :P
Eos Amaterasu: in the open space of your attention
Eos Amaterasu: fish suspend
Byron Tennyson: Wonder what fish represented to Jung?
SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm hesitent to take a picture, I've been crashing when I attempt it)
Eos Amaterasu: and you swim right throuigh them....
Bruce Mowbray: With intention and attention. . .
Byron Tennyson: Are you using an Acer PC Sharon?
Bruce Mowbray: I will get a screen save ....
SophiaSharon Larnia: no :)
Byron Tennyson: Ah, ok
Byron Tennyson: Because I had similar issues to begin with
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah, its recent for me, the last few months
Byron Tennyson: Oh dear, sorry to hear that
Byron Tennyson: And strange too
Eos Amaterasu: just took a couple of shots, thnx
Byron Tennyson: Have you changed viewers recently?
SophiaSharon Larnia: not lately
Eos Amaterasu: the fish are maintained by nextness
Byron Tennyson: Hm, don't get that
Eos Amaterasu: they die in enoughness
Byron Tennyson hopes these fish are not piranhas
Eos Amaterasu suspects some are
SophiaSharon Larnia: nextness Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: always looking for the next thing
Byron Tennyson: Argh
Eos Amaterasu: kind of a hungry mind
Eos Amaterasu: anxious
Byron Tennyson ducks
SophiaSharon Larnia: from the samsaric ocean
Byron Tennyson: 'Hungry mind' Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: the samsaric fish look for their next selves, so they keep reproducing
Byron Tennyson: Ah yes, I like that
Eos Amaterasu: feels that way, bit of anxiety, that you can't quite rest there, got to move on to the next thing
Byron Tennyson nods
Byron Tennyson: Cheers Bruce :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Byron Tennyson: Hi Yakuzza
Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Yaku.
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Bruce!
Eos Amaterasu: thnx Bruce
Byron Tennyson: Whoa
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Yakuzza :)
Eos Amaterasu has received the fish-of-subconscious-mind visualization empowerment
Byron Tennyson: Obscured by a school of fishes, wow
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Yak
Byron Tennyson: The fish seems a powerful archetype
SophiaSharon Larnia: ah print screen :) I avoid it because my viewer shows what viewer you use too
Byron Tennyson: Why would that worry you?
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, I have weird ideas of what I think other people would mind

--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Yaku -- We're talking about subconscious fish -- and Eos has shared this poem:
Byron Tennyson: Surely it is only your business what viewer you use :)
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.american-buddha.com/fish.wise.htm
Byron Tennyson: Personally I can't stand Viewer 2 [grin]
Yakuzza Lethecus: so beware of the coemergent wishdom of doom ?
Byron Tennyson: Perhaps we should...;-)
Eos Amaterasu: 'the net of your good posture' could also be the attention of this 90 secs
Byron Tennyson likes the Being fish :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Byron Tennyson: Can a school of fish teach us something? :p
Eos Amaterasu: it's a school, isn't it?
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Byron Tennyson: This is true
Byron Tennyson: Swimming lessons maybe?
Byron Tennyson: Or even flying lessons
Eos Amaterasu makes not to add fish of subconscious gossip to snowglobe
Eos Amaterasu: *note
SophiaSharon Larnia: ha!
Byron Tennyson: Snowglobe?
Byron Tennyson: The viewer you mean?
SophiaSharon Larnia: not the viewer
Eos Amaterasu: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2010/08/2010.08.10_13%3a00___%22Tao_of_Snowglobe%22
Eos Amaterasu: no, reference to snowglobe as a kind of totem of the 9 secs
Eos Amaterasu: to be dropped on a cafe table somewhere
Eos Amaterasu: with some other avatars present
Byron Tennyson: Ah, now I understand :)
Byron Tennyson: Sorry, a bit slow sometimes...
Byron Tennyson: Bruce keeps feedin me these pics...
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
SophiaSharon Larnia: aww thanks again Bruce!
Byron Tennyson: That's a good one
SophiaSharon Larnia: the fish are ordered in the picture, plays being, I like to think of it as being plays :)
Byron Tennyson: Could be both?
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Byron Tennyson: :)
Bruce Mowbray: For me, the challenge is to let the fish BE -- not to judge, control, or repress them. . .
Eos Amaterasu: coemergent wisdom is that the fish are already in enoughness
Eos Amaterasu: and don't need to rush to nextness
Byron Tennyson: 'Let it be'
Bruce Mowbray: yes. thanks, Eos.
Bruce Mowbray: and Byron.
Bruce Mowbray: To watch is enoughness.
Byron Tennyson: yw
Eos Amaterasu: they have actually never left enoughness
SophiaSharon Larnia: plays being and being plays as what is
Eos Amaterasu smiles at SSL
Byron Tennyson: What moves them to nextness then Eos?
Eos Amaterasu: that's a highly personal question, Byron :p)
Yakuzza Lethecus: coemergent wisdom as a metaphor for what´s already there but unseen
Bruce Mowbray muses to himself: Where do the fish go when I detach them...?
Byron Tennyson: Ah....
Eos Amaterasu: Elvis has never really left the building...
Byron Tennyson: No, a UFO got him :DDD
Bruce Mowbray: OK - to ask highly personal questions. . . just don't always expect them to be answered.
Paradise Tennant: smiles at everyone .. and waits for the cushions to rez :) and listens :)
Eos Amaterasu: well, you catch yourself being anxious
Byron Tennyson: I like that Bruce!
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Para!
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Paradise!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi paradise
SophiaSharon Larnia: (feels so lost without here laggy radar!)
Byron Tennyson: Hi Paradise (wow!)
Eos Amaterasu: just noting that is enough
SophiaSharon Larnia: her*
Yakuzza Lethecus: but you got one with emerald ssl
SophiaSharon Larnia: wow is right
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
SophiaSharon Larnia: i deactivated everything, at first just in Bieup, now everywhere
Eos Amaterasu: all eyes turn to Paradise...
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods at Eos :D
Byron Tennyson: Not surprising really...
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: If sub-conscious fish already have enoughness, why to they need to rise out of the ocean?
Byron Tennyson: Good question :)
Byron Tennyson: To evolve maybe?
Eos Amaterasu: I think the only way to ask that question is personally
Eos Amaterasu: to notice yourself doing it
Eos Amaterasu: why do I do it?
Byron Tennyson nods
Bruce Mowbray: I saure noticed them doing it during this week's Time Magic exercise....
Byron Tennyson: A creationist would say they don't evolve of course! :p
Bruce Mowbray: sure ... noticed MYSELF doing it. . .
Eos Amaterasu: ah, yes, I read some of those....
Paradise Tennant: co-mergent wisdom is non-duality ?
Eos Amaterasu: yes, we seem to be allergic to enoughness :-)
Bruce Mowbray: excellent point, Para.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Eos, so the fish are always hungry.
Byron Tennyson: This 'enoughness' is an interesting concept
Bruce Mowbray: always rising out of the ocean for more food.
Bruce Mowbray: addicted.
Bruce Mowbray: go on, please, Byron.
Eos Amaterasu: that's related to "first thought, best thought"
Eos Amaterasu: first thought does not equal "next thought"
Eos Amaterasu: first thought is the color of enoughness
Byron Tennyson: Sorry Bruce
Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome aph
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Aphrodite :)
Byron Tennyson: I was just pondering on the concept of 'enoughness'
Eos Amaterasu: Hi Aph
Byron Tennyson: Hello :)
Bruce Mowbray: Good morning, Aph. I will fill you in on what's happening here with an IM.
Aphrodite Macbain: HELLO ALL
Paradise Tennant: good morning aphrodite :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: i don´t dwell in enoughness, i grasp, i gain unhappyness through grasping
Byron Tennyson: HELLO APHRODITE
Eos Amaterasu: join the fish and the people, Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: Good morning good afternoon good evening
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods @ Yakuzza
Paradise Tennant: smiles at yakuzza .. we all do :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Byron Tennyson: How's the water?
Aphrodite Macbain: wet
SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
Byron Tennyson is shocked
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Yaku. . . and to accept the not-enoughness of that condition is itself enoughness -- Or, I think that's what "first thought best thought" implies.
Aphrodite Macbain: oops! still haven't had my coffee
Eos Amaterasu: the direct experience has enoughness
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, actually the concous can be seem to know what´s right but the habits tell otherwise
Yakuzza Lethecus: *concious
Eos Amaterasu: yeah, lot of momentum to our karma / history / habits
Byron Tennyson: My friends, I must move on. It was good to meet you all
Eos Amaterasu: lots of fish
SophiaSharon Larnia: you too Byron :)
Eos Amaterasu: nice to talk with you, byron
Yakuzza Lethecus: issues on cognitive dissonance, actually my grasping shifts towards grasping to learn to communicate thoughts better
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for joining us Byron. See you again I hope.
Yakuzza Lethecus: take care byron
Paradise Tennant: namaste bryon :)
Eos Amaterasu wonders if that is Mick's subconscious gossip swimming around....
Eos Amaterasu: Inception II : into subconscious gossip
Eos Amaterasu: that's what propaganda does
SophiaSharon Larnia: well, at least they are silent fish and not noisy ones lol
Aphrodite Macbain: Wow amazing I feel at one with them. Does Blub?
Bruce Mowbray: They scare Blub.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, like you moving with them, in circle round and round, feeling the water move past your skin
Eos Amaterasu: I must disperse to the next thing...
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya everyone at the guardian meeting
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you, Eos.
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, me too :))
Paradise Tennant: namaste eos
Eos Amaterasu: thanks all, and probably see you instantaneously if not sooner....
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I also have a Guardian Meeting -- so I shall be off to the Village Hall.
--BELL--
SophiaSharon Larnia: ha
Bruce Mowbray: Do you know where it is, Aph?
Aphrodite Macbain: OMG When Is that and should Ib there
Bruce Mowbray: No problem. I will go there now and send you a TP....
SophiaSharon Larnia: it's not, and you dont have to, but we would be very! happy to see you
SophiaSharon Larnia: its now*****
Bruce Mowbray: Sharon -- I'll either see you at the Hall or here later. May all be well and Happy.
SophiaSharon Larnia: im going too, see you in a sec :P
Bruce Mowbray: OK.
Bruce Mowbray: Be well, Para.
Paradise Tennant: smiles at everyone thank you going to go walk the pup in the raing :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aphrodite. Did someone tell you about ghte guardian session?
Eliza Madrigal: I'm on my way but will send a tp if you like...
Aphrodite Macbain is away right now and has not broken her neck
Aphrodite Macbain: sSorry Iwas afk