2010.08.25 13:00 - God I'm pissed off

The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

Wester Kiranov: hi bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, Wester.
Wester Kiranov: hi arch, hi zon
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Wester
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: Hey there, Zon
Wester Kiranov: hi fef
Wester Kiranov: hi qt, adoro
Zon Quar: fefong
Qt Core: bi all
adoro Rhapsody: hi all
Fefonz Quan: Hi Wester, Archmage, Zon
Qt Core: hi
Fefonz Quan: and Qt :)
Zon Quar: qt
Wester Kiranov: hi yaku
Fefonz Quan: Hi Yaku, Adoro
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Qt Core: Hi Yaku
Zon Quar: yaku
Archmage Atlantis: hello, Fefonz, adoro, QT, Yaku
adoro Rhapsody: hi arch
Wester Kiranov: wb bruce
adoro Rhapsody: wb bruce
Archmage Atlantis: wb Bruce :)......
Fefonz Quan: hi bruce
Fefonz Quan: and we got symmetry :)
adoro Rhapsody: what kind of symmetry ?
Wester Kiranov: if you ignore the color of the zabutons and the character of their inhabitants
Zon Quar: jazz kind
Qt Core: before bruce disappearing specular, between you and me adoro
adoro Rhapsody: ok
Qt Core: it is something that some pabbers (mostly me and wol ;) ) like
adoro Rhapsody: of course
Zon Quar: but symmetry must be broken
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: why must it be broken ?
Zon Quar: otherwise
Zon Quar: there is no life
Zon Quar: jus dead symmetry
adoro Rhapsody: ok
adoro Rhapsody: i see
adoro Rhapsody: its too perfect to be alive
adoro Rhapsody: ?
Zon Quar: nods
Zon Quar: all must be imperfect to be perfect
adoro Rhapsody: its not easy to be perfect
adoro Rhapsody: the peanuts already said
Zon Quar: just be imperfect..tha will do
adoro Rhapsody: that is authentic
adoro Rhapsody: and human
Wester Kiranov: hi darren
Fefonz Quan: if this rule is imperfect by itself, there must be some cases where symmetry beholds :)\
Archmage Atlantis: Frozen symmetry.....still there is active symmetry, the movement to maintain symmetry.....and that requires life also
Darren Islar: hi all :)
Zon Quar: that is no striving
Qt Core: and then many take the most simmetric figure as the perfect one, circle or sphere depending on the n. of dimensions
adoro Rhapsody: hi dar
Qt Core: hi Darren
Fefonz Quan: hi Darren
Darren Islar: heyBruce
adoro Rhapsody: hi bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Hello, everyone. Can't believed I've already crashed twice in this session.
Archmage Atlantis: hey Blub :)
Bruce Mowbray: Blub bubbles a 'heo.'
Bruce Mowbray: hello.
Qt Core: and the session is still young Bruce ;-)
Bruce Mowbray: good.... What's the topic?
Archmage Atlantis: Youth is fleeting
Archmage Atlantis: Not the topic
Agatha Macbeth: Hihi PaBers :)
Qt Core: hi Agatha
Darren Islar: hi Agatha
Fefonz Quan: HI Agathta
Wester Kiranov: hi agatha
Bruce Mowbray: Blub says, "Hi" to Koya.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, aggres.
Archmage Atlantis: Hey Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Yo Arch :)
adoro Rhapsody: hi aga
Archmage Atlantis: ty, Bruce :)
Agatha Macbeth: Did I arrive in the bell or something?
Wester Kiranov: no, just in a lull in the conversation
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Zon.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Archmage Atlantis: In the circle of fish, tho
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zon
Wester Kiranov: we've got symmetry again
Zon Quar: hi
Wester Kiranov: and we lost it
Zon Quar: bad connection
Agatha Macbeth meeows and grabs the fish
Zon Quar: isnt it great
Zon Quar: to loose symmetry
Zon Quar: and gain it again
adoro Rhapsody: and symmetry seams to be cemetary
Bruce Mowbray: same here, Zon....
Zon Quar: in the beginning..there was symmetry
Zon Quar: it rested in itsefl
Zon Quar: content
Zon Quar: unmoving
Archmage Atlantis: Once upon a time, in a land far, far away....
Zon Quar: it got bored
Zon Quar: and thot
Zon Quar: why not some action
adoro Rhapsody: and then there came chaos
Zon Quar: so. tels push the boat a little
adoro Rhapsody: and i woke up
Zon Quar: lets
Zon Quar: and started enjoy the show
adoro Rhapsody: and they lived long and happy
Zon Quar: thinking...oh im gonna loose it
Zon Quar: the getting itself together again
adoro Rhapsody: or died long and happy
Zon Quar: then..loosing fate
Zon Quar: drama
Archmage Atlantis: Isn't that the way life always is, trying to bring something out of chaos, finding it, then realizing there is still more chaos :)
adoro Rhapsody: applause
Zon Quar: then happy ending
Zon Quar: and on and on it goes
adoro Rhapsody: thats life
adoro Rhapsody: what do others think of it ?
Zon Quar: life is chaos making it self cosmos and back again
Agatha Macbeth: Thank God for death I say
Archmage Atlantis: what's life, Life's a magazine, what does it cost, 25 cents, I only have 24 cents, .;....That's Life
Archmage Atlantis: Ancient humor from the dead decade scrolls
adoro Rhapsody: the best things in life are free
Zon Quar: u must pay for all
Fefonz Quan: i don't really know what do you mean when you say Chaos in that sense Arch
Zon Quar: in one way or another
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: well i ve got to leave for bed , my own chaos
Archmage Atlantis: Nor do I Fef ,,,,, just babbling........sort of like a wind up toy
adoro Rhapsody: bye
Archmage Atlantis: Bye adoro
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ade
Wester Kiranov: bye adoro
Zon Quar: bye adoro
Fefonz Quan: bye Adoro
Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps "chaos" is a relative term - as "rigidity" is.
Zon Quar: bows and flies in teh deep
Fefonz Quan: relative to our degree of knowing - or degree of accepting
Fefonz Quan: bye Zon
Agatha Macbeth: C ya zon
Bruce Mowbray: I do know that I want a life that is neither chaotic nor rigid.
Agatha Macbeth: It says something rather interesting when you start up Emerald
Agatha Macbeth: 'There will come a time when you believe everything is finished. That will be the beginning'
Bruce Mowbray: What does it say, aggers?
Archmage Atlantis: Actually, in a way, this entire session so far has been an exercise in gaining and losing symmetry, as folks come and go
Agatha Macbeth: i just told ya! :))
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Ag?
Archmage Atlantis: oh
Agatha Macbeth: Thought that was quite good
Bruce Mowbray: thakns.
Bruce Mowbray: thanks.
Agatha Macbeth thakns Bruce too
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Just wondered why they put it there...
Fefonz Quan: put what where?
Agatha Macbeth: What I just said at the Emerald start screen Fonz :)
Agatha Macbeth: (Pay attention!)
Archmage Atlantis: who's on first?.....
Agatha Macbeth: BEING there...
 

----- Some lines of conversation were dropped here due to the request of a new participant. She didn't want to get quoted, mentioning we are a little intimidating...

Agatha Macbeth: Intimidating? Naaah
Agatha Macbeth: Confusing

Bruce Mowbray: nawwww. We're tame as kittens.
Agatha Macbeth: Inexplicable
Agatha Macbeth: But not intimidating :)
Bruce Mowbray: How do you pronounce your name?
Agatha Macbeth: (With great difficulty)
Bruce Mowbray: THAT's intimidating, for sure!
Agatha Macbeth: More to the point how d'you REMEMBER it??
 

--------------- dropped again, during discussion of names in RL and SL----

Agatha Macbeth: Can't say I have, no
Fefonz Quan: real is in interesting notion here, it's just a name, you can't touch it
 

Fefonz Quan: indeed. but then it's gone. has the name gone with the (wind) sound?
Agatha Macbeth: 'What's in a name'?
 

Archmage Atlantis: Well, technically, the movement of the air moves the sensory organs in the ear, which most human brains interpret as sound
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Many cultures believe if people learn your 'inner' name, it gives power over you

Qt Core: interesting use of "most" Arch
Archmage Atlantis: Some folks see sound, QT
Archmage Atlantis: Depends on the brain

Fefonz Quan: (though not too rigid as you see, we try to keep silence while the 90 second of the cloudy pool remain)
Archmage Atlantis: Oops, missed that last bell
Agatha Macbeth: (Last bell?)
Qt Core: but still we sometimes forget it while deep in discussions
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Agatha Macbeth: Welcome
Wester Kiranov: I'm going to sign off now guys, cu
Agatha Macbeth: Bye wester
Darren Islar: bye Wester
Fefonz Quan: bye Wester, good night
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Wester.
Archmage Atlantis: bye W
Agatha Macbeth: What's an ORGY IN THE FOREST by the way?
Bruce Mowbray rushes to cover Blub's ears.
Archmage Atlantis: Missed more than the bell, obviously
Agatha Macbeth: (What bell?)
Agatha Macbeth: ;-)
Fefonz Quan: the attention bell :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh THAT bell
Archmage Atlantis: :) - tease
Agatha Macbeth: Moi?
Archmage Atlantis: :)
Agatha Macbeth looks innocent
Archmage Atlantis: looks for ball of string
Fefonz Quan: I am not sure any of you know or remember it, but a year ago started the first PaB real life retreat
Agatha Macbeth: Wow WF, you have some *interesting* groups there :)))
Bruce Mowbray: say more, please, Fef.
Agatha Macbeth: 'The cumhouse' eh? Whoa
Bruce Mowbray rushes to cover Blub's eyes.
Fefonz Quan: well, the first RL retreat took place on santa Cruz, California
Agatha Macbeth: Ah The Harem....I know that one :)
Agatha Macbeth: Horny Schoolgirls?
Agatha Macbeth: Whew
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like you get around
Archmage Atlantis: I thought the first one was in Princeton, NJ.....or don't those count as retreat
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, didn't you ask her?
Bruce Mowbray hopes someone will tell him when it's safe here for under-aged fish.

Darren Islar: she didn't answer yet Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: WF, we need your permission to record what you say here you see
Qt Core: when do fishes become of age ?
Fefonz Quan: (will make ,y job easier, being the one posting this session ;-)
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Bruce Mowbray doesn't know about the legal age of consent for fish, but isn't taking any chances.

Archmage Atlantis: Not to record
Fefonz Quan: we don't eat (SL) meat here :)
Darren Islar: normally it is save Bruce for underage people or fish
Darren Islar: *underaged
Archmage Atlantis: Anyone got some catnip?
Agatha Macbeth: Me
Qt Core: time to go for me, bye all, have fun
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, No 'grilling' intended, but it is the legal policy of Linden Labs that any words that will be posted in a webpage wiki (as ours are) first have permission from the speaker of those words...
Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
Fefonz Quan: bye Qt
Archmage Atlantis: Bye QT
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Qt.
Bruce Mowbray: So, everyone who comes here for the first time is asked that same question.
Bruce Mowbray: without their consent - can't publish on the web.
Agatha Macbeth nods

Bruce Mowbray: Now, where were we . . . .? Somrthing about symmetry?
Bruce Mowbray: or was it "chaos"?
Agatha Macbeth: Probably both
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: I think both, in conversation, as well as in SL reality (is that a meaningful phrase?)
Fefonz Quan: btw - this is our web site: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Fefonz Quan: so you can surf around and see some of the things we do here. the chat logs are, well, under "chat logs"..
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Unsurprisingly...
Darren Islar: will be going
Darren Islar: see you :)
Agatha Macbeth wves
Bruce Mowbray: bye, Darren.
Archmage Atlantis: May I ask, Fefonz, the reason you prefer symmetry (and Wol also, if you know) ? .... Bye Darren :)
Fefonz Quan: Not sure i prefer itr Arch, it's just a mind game
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it invokes deep insecurities
Archmage Atlantis: Understand (least I think I do)
Fefonz Quan: and , in that sense, playing 'lets find the symmetric pattern' is much harder (and intruiging) than 'let's find some assymetic pattern"
Bruce Mowbray: Most biological organisms have physical symmertry in their body structure -- Most non-living things do not.
Bruce Mowbray: When a living thing dies, its symmetry soon disappears.
Archmage Atlantis: Hmmm....in designing gardens...assymetry is useful to add interest
Bruce Mowbray: yes. . . also in design of ideas and of lives. . .
Archmage Atlantis: while symmetry adds calm
Archmage Atlantis: And chaos, well usually that means there is no design
Fefonz Quan: so what insecurities we were talking about agatha? :)
Bruce Mowbray: I find it fascinating that "Nature" uses symmetry -- and that we evolved out of symmetrical forms. . . and now we return to symmetry to find calm.
Archmage Atlantis: Or at least, not a human one
Agatha Macbeth: ??
Fefonz Quan: [14:03] Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it invokes deep insecurities
Archmage Atlantis: Keep up with yourself Aggie
Archmage Atlantis: *grins *
Agatha Macbeth: Well maybe a need for order indicates a need to impose security
Fefonz Quan: yes, in general that might be true.
Bruce Mowbray: I'd agree -- but only say that a need for rigidity imposes security... a need for "order" does not necessarily impose anything.
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Calvino!
Fefonz Quan: if only you could see my room, the suspicion will vanish at one :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Calvino Rabeni: Hi Bruce
Archmage Atlantis: Hey Cal
Fefonz Quan: Hey Cal
Bruce Mowbray: leaving things completely alone -- they ofetn return to "order" all by themselves.
Agatha Macbeth: Not in my experience Bruce ;-)
Archmage Atlantis: Sees invisible fish spining
Fefonz Quan: yes, Bruce has just contradicted the seoncd law of thermodynamics
Agatha Macbeth says 'evolve!'
Bruce Mowbray: so, aggers, some imposition of "order" is necessary, in your experience?
Agatha Macbeth: Well yeah, otherwise nothing gets done!
Bruce Mowbray: yep, Fef -- Forgot about that ol' entropy thing!
Fefonz Quan: just remember - you can fix it by putting some energy into it :)
Archmage Atlantis: It's all theoretical, anywho
Archmage Atlantis: Gotta go
Archmage Atlantis: Bye all
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Arch
Fefonz Quan: I have to go to sleep too, good night fellows
Agatha Macbeth: Shalom Fonzie
Fefonz Quan: Layla Tov :)
Agatha Macbeth: That too :)
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Fefonz Quan: hehehe :)
Agatha Macbeth: That's odd, I've got no sound
Agatha Macbeth: stop
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Now why is that...
Agatha Macbeth: Where's Bruce gone?
Agatha Macbeth: I hate Wednesdays
Agatha Macbeth: God I'm pissed off