2009.12.01 01:00 - Until which sunset?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Wester Kiranov. The comments are by Wester Kiranov.

    At the beginning of the session I met both Geoff Bailey and Repose Lionheart for the first time. Calvino Rabeni joined us soon after.

    Geoff Baily: hello
    Wester Kiranov: hi
    Repose Lionheart: sorry, can't find it...
    Wester Kiranov: I don't think I have seen either of you before. Have you been here before or is it your first time?
    Repose Lionheart: third for me, Wester...
    Geoff Baily: yes my 5th time
    Wester Kiranov: Good, then I don't have to explain the basics again.
    Wester Kiranov: hi calvino
    Repose Lionheart: no, probably not...
    Geoff Baily: hi Calvno
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello, what's up?
    Geoff Baily: Calvino


    I asked them about their first experiences with PaB and the 9-second practice.


    Wester Kiranov: I was wondering how you found PaB, both Repose and Geoff.
    Repose Lionheart: Well, an interesting way of interacting
    Geoff Baily: Nonduality and the Urban Gru Cafe
    Repose Lionheart: my experience is limited
    Repose Lionheart: only the moderator at the second session
    Wester Kiranov: was that at the same time? the 1 am sessions are usually not very busy
    Repose Lionheart: one at i pm, one at 1 am
    Repose Lionheart: the 1 am had just the two of us
    Repose Lionheart: it was still very interesting
    Wester Kiranov: Good. Did you try the 9 second practice?
    Repose Lionheart: he was a devotee of jnana yoga
    Repose Lionheart: hmmm...probably more than 9 seconds, if i understand what you mean by mindfulness
    Geoff Baily: I am trying the 9 second practice, bit too short for me
    Geoff Baily: try and check out every 15 mins in real life like here
    Geoff Baily: an awareness of awareness
    Wester Kiranov: For me, the 9 second practice is about opening up, and also noticing how difficult that can often be.
    Geoff Baily: agree Wester very difficult
    Calvino Rabeni: How would you say, it is difficult?
    Calvino Rabeni: I mean in what ways?
    Calvino Rabeni: (Let me count the ways :)
    Repose Lionheart: ㋡
    Geoff Baily: Perhaps there are parts of me that I find difficult to accept
    Calvino Rabeni: How do they appear?
    Wester Kiranov: AndI think just doing it and not thinking "OK, I'll do it next time". Allowing your routine to be interrupted. And it's difficult to do it with precision.
    Geoff Baily: Anxiety
    Calvino Rabeni: How does anxiety appear?
    Geoff Baily: How do you find me here?;)
    Wester Kiranov: What do you mean?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is funny how attention (I've noticed) has a hard time focusing on the actual experience.
    Calvino Rabeni: It seems to like to find a label and then move on.
    Wester Kiranov: Well seen!
    The conversation moved on to discuss communication in SL and RL.
    Repose Lionheart: sl can heighten anxiety, Geoff
    Repose Lionheart: i'm sitting here like a stone face
    Calvino Rabeni: THere's always more to it than that.
    Repose Lionheart: hard for you to read me
    Calvino Rabeni: Possibly a lot more.
    Geoff Baily: True
    Repose Lionheart: as you would in rl
    Repose Lionheart: can be spooky ㋡
    Repose Lionheart: i find you to be a very nice person
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, so we can't do the same reading we would if present physically
    Repose Lionheart: true
    Geoff Baily: Thanks, ;)
    Repose Lionheart: yw
    Repose Lionheart: that means your welcome
    Wester Kiranov: that sometimes bothers me too. that all your communication has to be explicit here
    Calvino Rabeni: There's always these thoughts about how one appears to others.
    Repose Lionheart: you're
    Repose Lionheart: sigh, it's late ㋡
    Geoff Baily: There is the technology of SL to cope with which is a block
    Geoff Baily: For me its morning
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes I think, we kind of have to make an avatar for the others here - to imagine them acting upon is
    Calvino Rabeni: Through imagination
    Repose Lionheart: interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, late here too
    Wester Kiranov: morning here
    Repose Lionheart: time zones count for a lot in here
    Wester Kiranov: they count for less than in rl
    Repose Lionheart: oh...
    Calvino Rabeni: THe communication medium is part of the experience too, not a reason it can't happen
    Repose Lionheart: in some ways, yes
    Geoff Baily: yes i feel that too
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Repose Lionheart: just different here
    Wester Kiranov: without sl i wouldn't be talking to any of you at all
    Repose Lionheart: new rules
    Calvino Rabeni: Actually I find it easier to connect with people in SL - when tired, than I do in RL when tired
    Repose Lionheart: very true
    Repose Lionheart: yes!
    Calvino Rabeni: No one can tell when you "space out"
    Geoff Baily: Its a real learning experience
    Repose Lionheart: hehehe
    Geoff Baily: ;) coffee any one?
    Calvino Rabeni: In RL people are super tuned in to subtle signs
    Wester Kiranov: thanks, i've still got some ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, a double :)
    Repose Lionheart: and in sl?
    Calvino Rabeni: The signs aren't there, it is more imagination
    Geoff Baily: what would this session be like if we TALKED rather than typed
    Geoff Baily: much more info
    Calvino Rabeni: excelent question I think
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I would be somewhat resistant to it
    Geoff Baily: at the Urban Guru Cafe one can talk
    Repose Lionheart: yes, me too
    Wester Kiranov: you do get different info in voice
    Calvino Rabeni: How does that work out for your experience?
    Geoff Baily: much more info but many more assumptions!!!!
    Wester Kiranov: but i also find it more difficult to interrupt in voice
    Repose Lionheart: had a young av tell me when i recently arrived in sl that
    Repose Lionheart: sl was anonomous, accelerated, and intense
    Geoff Baily: You can type and talk at the same time
    Calvino Rabeni: Sounds like "too much of modern life" to me! :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Three qualities, already exaggerated
    Wester Kiranov: maybe you can type and talk at the same time - I can't ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: We tried it awhile back in a meeting.
    Calvino Rabeni: A bit awkward.
    Geoff Baily: typing gived more time for reflection i think
    Repose Lionheart: yes, interesting in realtion to truth-telling
    Repose Lionheart: relation, too
    Calvino Rabeni: How's that Repose?
    Wester Kiranov: sorry guys, I have to wake up hubby. brb
    Repose Lionheart: we, we're anonomous
    Calvino Rabeni: OK
    Repose Lionheart: so we can be more easily who we truly are
    Repose Lionheart: that truth is not always good
    Repose Lionheart: some are cruse
    Repose Lionheart: but many not so
    Repose Lionheart: sorry -- crude
    Repose Lionheart: it's complex i think
    Repose Lionheart: anonimity tends to accelerate relationships in sl
    Geoff Baily: no two people. one can talk and someone else comment
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Geoff Baily: at the same time!
    Calvino Rabeni: It works if there's a main speaker, and the listeners can send questions.
    Calvino Rabeni: There needs to be some gating for the voice so everyone doesn't go at once
    Geoff Baily: or comments
    Calvino Rabeni: Someone could do a script for that
    Wester Kiranov: back
    Repose Lionheart: wb
    Calvino Rabeni: The text mode is useful because it can be easily stored and reviewed
    Calvino Rabeni: as a memory aide
    Geoff Baily: Yes I have been reding some of the previous sessions, i like this format for the purpose we are using it for
    Calvino Rabeni: I have concerns that the medium is bad if overdone
    Wester Kiranov: I also find voice confusing when there are a lot of people
    Calvino Rabeni: Same here
    Calvino Rabeni: Too much stimulation
    Geoff Baily: Overdone? Calvino
    Repose Lionheart: writing forces things to greater clarity
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I meant, our media and technology train our brain and affect our consciouness by developing habits
    Geoff Baily: yes too true
    Calvino Rabeni: It is not at all true, that a message doesn't involve the medium
    Geoff Baily: true that we fall into habits of doing things ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: So practically, say, if someone spend hours in a VR like this, but didn't have close physical relationships and conversations in RL, I belive they would develop in a kind of limited way.
    Geoff Baily: Agree
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: On the other hand, I've noticed some positive effects of doing SL, transferring to my RL activities
    Repose Lionheart: me, too
    Calvino Rabeni: And vice versa
    Geoff Baily: Yes tho I've only been here for a short time
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you have opportunities for conversation in RL, that has the positive qualities of what we experience here?
    Repose Lionheart: Not often
    Calvino Rabeni: I actually think, positive experiences in this medium may raise the standard in RL
    Calvino Rabeni: Possibly.
    Calvino Rabeni: I had to work at it in RL, but the more I did, the more I liked it
    Repose Lionheart: i agree, Calvino
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    Geoff Baily: Like everything else it depends how one uses it. A car can be lethal or a mode of transport
    Wester Kiranov: or lifesaving
    Calvino Rabeni: But the contrary could also happen, like low quality experiences in SL degrading RL
    Calvino Rabeni: I guess that is saying the same
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree, the way of using things is important
    Repose Lionheart: yes, it could
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, people are not used to being aware of that.
    Wester Kiranov: true


    Another question by Repose brought us to the kind of people this group attracts...


    Repose Lionheart: are all avs accepted here, Wester?
    Calvino Rabeni: In a recent discussion the idea was proposed, that people typically speak without awareness of basic things. Like how they sound, whether their language matches the language of the listerner, and etc.
    Wester Kiranov: I think so. If they really misbehave badly we may have to do something about it, but we haven't had to so far.
    Wester Kiranov: (to repose)
    Repose Lionheart: so, furrys, tinies, kids, etc?
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Wester Kiranov: Most avs that have no interest here don't stay long. I suppose they find it boring, all that talking.
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, they are self-selected
    Geoff Baily: think its important that its an open meeting
    Wester Kiranov: We had a couple of disruptive speakers though.
    Calvino Rabeni: If they are not interested in awareness, they will leave or not get it
    Repose Lionheart: hmmm...
    Calvino Rabeni: There's no particular requirements about a belief system
    Geoff Baily: yes but they were dealt with as part of the group process
    Wester Kiranov: Sometimes people think they know what it's all about and try to convert us to their standpoint.
    Geoff Baily: mmmmmm interesting
    Wester Kiranov: But anyone who is willing to open up a bit is very welcome.
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, evangelizing is kind of off limits - not part of the "contract"
    Wester Kiranov: yep
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: And being judgmental.
    Repose Lionheart: i have no soap to sell ㋡
    Calvino Rabeni: It's ok to have judgments though.
    Repose Lionheart: yep
    Geoff Baily: Whar suits me may not suit you
    Calvino Rabeni: Being judgmental I mean, when people insist that others convert to their belief
    Wester Kiranov: it's quite impossible not to have judgments I think. and very different from being judgmental
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah
    Geoff Baily: I think part of this here is to explore different viewwpoints on the 'world' we live in
    Calvino Rabeni: exactly so
    Wester Kiranov: definitely
    Geoff Baily: and difference is important
    Repose Lionheart: sl certainly gives a greater parallax on rl
    Calvino Rabeni: do you mean, variety of viewpoints?
    Geoff Baily: why do evangilizers evangilize?
    Calvino Rabeni: lots of reasons
    Repose Lionheart: ahhh...wish i knew
    Repose Lionheart: fear, maybe
    Geoff Baily: an interesting phemenonon for investigation?
    Calvino Rabeni: from believing it is better for people, to fear about hearing their workd contradicted.
    Calvino Rabeni: very interesting
    Calvino Rabeni: The style here would be to try to catch it happening, to have more than just speculation.
    Calvino Rabeni: But speculation helps I think.
    Calvino Rabeni: Grounded speculation
    Wester Kiranov: or look for the evangelist inside.
    Geoff Baily: One reason is they thing there is AN answer and they have it
    Calvino Rabeni: that is a good one
    Repose Lionheart: intereating thought
    Geoff Baily: They think they have the answer (evangilists!)


    ... and then to the difficulty and the worth of not settling for answers but keeping on questioning.


    Calvino Rabeni: it is quite common in all walks of life, to think that there's AN answer
    Calvino Rabeni: In a way,we are not here to make answers
    Geoff Baily: To give, and that gives them power
    Calvino Rabeni: but to keep turning it back to questions
    Calvino Rabeni: To form a conclusion is to stop thinking
    Geoff Baily: no answers, more questions? ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: It is empirical. Any Answer might be further questioned
    Wester Kiranov: any answer produces new questions
    Repose Lionheart: the answer in the question
    Calvino Rabeni: People get impatient to "get to the end of it"
    Wester Kiranov: if you're willing to let it give you more questions


    We stood on the shoulders of giants for a moment.


    Geoff Baily: Newton said 'the bigger is the island of knowledge the greater is the shoreline of uncertainty'
    Calvino Rabeni: good quite
    Calvino Rabeni: quote
    Wester Kiranov: that's a nice one
    Repose Lionheart: nice quote
    Geoff Baily: longer*
    Geoff Baily: the shoreline...
    Repose Lionheart: Coleridge: The mark of a mature mind is its ability to tolerate ambiguity
    Calvino Rabeni: Or, consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds
    Geoff Baily: dappled things!!!!!
    Repose Lionheart: true believers don't allow much ambiguity
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Wester Kiranov: that's nice too. Now, let's start thinking for ourselves again ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Hopkins was onto somethings
    Repose Lionheart: yes, like that one about consistency!
    Repose Lionheart: hehehe
    Repose Lionheart: good idea, Wester
    Wester Kiranov: brb
    Repose Lionheart: I believe we should positively embrace ambiguity
    Calvino Rabeni: agree with tat
    Repose Lionheart: is that not what this processs is about a bit?
    Geoff Baily: The idea that 'all is change' is not easy to live with
    Calvino Rabeni: During the pause I was aware of an attachment to ideas - like - Hey' I'm onto something, let it continue. And a fear of letting go of it, as if it was hard to come up with. But when I let go of it, it seemed clear that holding on like that wasn't necessary
    Calvino Rabeni: A trust, perhaps, that
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm, what I careed about would not be lost, if it were real
    Repose Lionheart: interesting...
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Is creativity a lot of work, or is it natural?
    Repose Lionheart: yes, i believe that
    Wester Kiranov: back
    Geoff Baily: fundamental
    Repose Lionheart: well, are you Taoist or Confucian?
    Calvino Rabeni: I have Taoist influences
    Geoff Baily: confused
    Repose Lionheart: in other words, depends on your perspective
    Repose Lionheart: i'd say natural myself
    Calvino Rabeni: But sympathetic to confucin ideas, as well as parts of nearly every "way"
    Repose Lionheart: ahhh..."Confucian by day, Taoist by night"
    Calvino Rabeni: Perspective is such a basic, interesting thing
    Repose Lionheart: old Chinese daying
    Repose Lionheart: saying
    Geoff Baily: nice
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: what did that mean?
    Repose Lionheart: well, two opposite perspectives
    Calvino Rabeni: Kind of like - the day is for work, the night is for love?
    Repose Lionheart: combined in lived experience
    Repose Lionheart: yes!
    Repose Lionheart: sort of like that
    Calvino Rabeni: Social sphere - confucian. Personal sphere - Taoist
    Repose Lionheart: yes


    The conversation moved on to different cultural backgrounds, and being aware of your own background. We shared our own backgrounds and got to know each other a bit more.


    Repose Lionheart: the Chinese embrace ambiguity
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, more than westerners.
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Repose Lionheart: think that's true
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Geoff Baily: perhaps they find us difficult to understand!
    Wester Kiranov: probably. and we all look the same ;)
    Repose Lionheart: hmmm...never really thought about that
    Repose Lionheart: not sure what i think about that
    Calvino Rabeni: Chinese have a very long idea of history
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: In which there were many influences brought together
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Europeans I think have more of a mind for that compared to Americans.
    Repose Lionheart: in some ways, yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Historical perspective
    Repose Lionheart: oh, certainly
    Repose Lionheart: i live in Southern California
    Wester Kiranov: it might have something to do with the felt age of your own country
    Repose Lionheart: as historically weightless a culture as exists ㋡
    Calvino Rabeni: Wester, how about you?
    Wester Kiranov: what about me?
    Calvino Rabeni: What culture / region shapes your outlooks?
    Repose Lionheart: felt age -- interesting concept
    Repose Lionheart: think i agree
    Wester Kiranov: I'm Dutch, so European
    Repose Lionheart: ahh...interesting
    Repose Lionheart: history of tolerance
    Calvino Rabeni: Countries have their own mythology that goes mostly unaware
    Repose Lionheart: oh, yes
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, tolerance
    Geoff Baily: true
    Repose Lionheart: we'll slowly become citizens of a single world
    Calvino Rabeni: Part of where I come from - USA - there is a kind of blindness to culture and class differences, based on the myth that everybody here is an immigrant.
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Repose Lionheart: the underpinnings of every republic have been oligarchical
    Repose Lionheart: so, a blindness to class distinctions results
    Calvino Rabeni: Part of the myth is that the continent was "empty" - a blank slate - of course that wasn't really true
    Repose Lionheart: no, not true at all
    Calvino Rabeni: A cultural myth like hitting the "reset" button
    Wester Kiranov: It's good to be aware of your background and how it shaped you
    Calvino Rabeni: and leaving conflicts behind
    Calvino Rabeni: People moved to this country because they were dispossessed from their own.
    Calvino Rabeni: Or perhaps in search of more freedom.
    Calvino Rabeni: They felt cramped.
    Repose Lionheart: mindfulness of cultural backgrounds...
    Repose Lionheart: good thing
    Calvino Rabeni: Many people seem to have forgotten their ancestors
    Calvino Rabeni: as if modernity meant, it is no longer relevant
    Wester Kiranov: as if your background will go away if you ignore it
    Repose Lionheart: many rejected their pasts, some were torn away from them, all lost them here in America
    Calvino Rabeni: it won't of course
    Repose Lionheart: it only goes away if you don't ignore it...
    Calvino Rabeni: that is the myth, including equality
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: the idea of political equality I mean, as an agreement
    Calvino Rabeni: got confused with sameness
    Repose Lionheart: yep, i see
    Calvino Rabeni: I have certain ideas of the Dutch - stereotypes perhaps, but I like what I see
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Repose Lionheart: haven for nonconformists
    Repose Lionheart: tolerant
    Calvino Rabeni: Some good work in comparative religion, for instance
    Wester Kiranov: yeah - we've had some political things lately that I'm not happy with
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: What is the change?
    Repose Lionheart: we, too, in the US ㋡
    Wester Kiranov: Some very intolerant politicians
    Wester Kiranov: A muslim hater with 10 seats (out of 150) in parliament
    Geoff Baily: Fear creates divisions between people i think
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: And divisions create fear
    Repose Lionheart: and bad actors take advantage of that
    Wester Kiranov: And this guy know how to create and cherish fear
    Geoff Baily: WALLS
    Repose Lionheart: yep
    Calvino Rabeni: The Bush presidency in the USA was all based on fear
    Calvino Rabeni: it was demoralizing for a lot of people
    Calvino Rabeni: Glad it is over for now
    Repose Lionheart: Yes, that's for certain
    Repose Lionheart: yes!
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: But I am interestd in the muslim theme in Europe.
    Calvino Rabeni: I was remembering the scandal a couple years ago about the cartoonist
    Wester Kiranov: the danish cartoons?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes that one
    Geoff Baily: Rerun of old history and conflicts going back a long longtime
    Calvino Rabeni: The pictorial representations were not acceptable to muslims
    Geoff Baily: Last weekend the Swiss voted to ban the building of minarets!
    Calvino Rabeni: surprising
    Wester Kiranov: yes, surprisingly
    Repose Lionheart: ahhh...was wondering how that vote came out...
    Repose Lionheart: probably fair to ban church bells, then ㋡
    Geoff Baily: There is an uproar all over Europe now
    Wester Kiranov: I think 57% voted for the ban
    Repose Lionheart: fear
    Wester Kiranov: There was a poster with minarets looking a lot like missiles, I have heard
    Geoff Baily: The Right wing politicians are very happy
    Wester Kiranov: (I like the way the light changed here around sunset)
    Calvino Rabeni: Where do you live, Geoff?
    Repose Lionheart: Yes, saw the poster, and that is what they looked like...
    Geoff Baily: France tho I am English
    Repose Lionheart: oh...
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, thanks for that info


    And we found out a bit more about the time of day in SL.


    Geoff Baily: midday here
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I am still guessing what timezone this sim is tied to
    Geoff Baily: just collected the fallen leaves in the garden
    Repose Lionheart: california
    Calvino Rabeni: Where is it sunset now in the world?
    Repose Lionheart: west coast north america
    Wester Kiranov: But the suncycle in SL is 4 hours
    Calvino Rabeni: NO
    Repose Lionheart: oh, i see
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, I did not realize that
    Calvino Rabeni: no wonder
    Repose Lionheart: neither did i
    Geoff Baily: interesting, where are we now??????
    Repose Lionheart: not sure
    Wester Kiranov: where? in what sense?
    Repose Lionheart: can't remember if i changed the background setting or not
    Wester Kiranov: the SL sun has just set
    Geoff Baily: if you collapse the lines of longitude and latitude to a point we are at the centre of the earth!!!!!
    Calvino Rabeni: The birds are tied to the time


    And got back to the virtuality of SL.


    Calvino Rabeni: I wish the sun were more intense here.
    Geoff Baily: all the time zones meet there
    Calvino Rabeni: The whole world of SL feels indoors
    Repose Lionheart: true
    Geoff Baily: not for me
    Calvino Rabeni: I would like to feel more intensity from it
    Repose Lionheart: you miss shadows?
    Geoff Baily: i feel we are somewhere away from earth at a point in space?
    Calvino Rabeni: Like I have a plot here. At "midnight" it is not dark.
    Repose Lionheart: true
    Calvino Rabeni: Not dark enough for things to feel mysterious
    Repose Lionheart: yes, true
    Calvino Rabeni: I like the mystery of night
    Repose Lionheart: no real shadows or reflections here too
    Repose Lionheart: makes the sun feel less intense
    Repose Lionheart: wait though
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe a powerful computer could do it?
    Repose Lionheart: in 50 years, this place will be something!
    Calvino Rabeni: Also, no mirrors
    Repose Lionheart: yes, no mirrors
    Repose Lionheart: have one
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, it will be the golden app for supercomputers
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah well. Not me, it is an old laptop
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Geoff Baily: i wish!
    Repose Lionheart: great things happening in the research labs now
    Repose Lionheart: B2B
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd say, this isn't just off-topic chat.
    Repose Lionheart: google it ㋡
    Calvino Rabeni: If there is a reflection going on
    Calvino Rabeni: I want the natal controller
    Calvino Rabeni: hooked up here


    Time for a bit of fun.


    Calvino Rabeni: I would like to really "onigokko"
    Calvino Rabeni: Kind of a group in-joke
    Wester Kiranov: why don't you?
    Repose Lionheart: oh...what's that?
    Wester Kiranov: onigokko
    Repose Lionheart: i see ㋡
    Wester Kiranov: stop
    Calvino Rabeni: you can participate if you have the script
    Wester Kiranov: always good to stretch your legs
    Repose Lionheart: yes ㋡
    Calvino Rabeni: kind of breaks things up
    Geoff Baily: i have it but cant find it?
    Calvino Rabeni: Play is in the name of the group
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Geoff Baily: whereis is it
    Calvino Rabeni: In Objects folder
    Geoff Baily: ok
    Calvino Rabeni: You have it, Repose?
    Repose Lionheart: no, pretty sure i don't
    Wester Kiranov: mine is in my animations folder. you need to wear it for it to work
    Repose Lionheart: ok
    Wester Kiranov: just the music - that's weird
    Repose Lionheart: Hmmm...
    Wester Kiranov: stop
    Repose Lionheart: ahh...relief
    Geoff Baily: sorry
    Repose Lionheart: no, no problem ㋡
    Wester Kiranov: :)
    Geoff Baily: just trying it for the first time


    Back to the subject of time in SL.


    Calvino Rabeni: Repose, we must be night owl types - we live in SLT zone
    Repose Lionheart: Geoff, you've been in-world only for a couple of weeks?
    Geoff Baily: is that how it should be
    Geoff Baily: 2 weeks
    Repose Lionheart: Yes, Calvino, I'm a night owl, for sure ㋡
    Repose Lionheart: should be?
    Repose Lionheart: just curious about your early impresions
    Repose Lionheart: of sl
    Geoff Baily: interesting. the whole world is here good and bad


    And then we had another visitor. We talked a bit about SL in general.


    Geoff Baily: hi alice
    Repose Lionheart: Hi Alice
    Repose Lionheart: Welcome
    Geoff Baily: nice to see you again
    Wester Kiranov: hi alice. have you been here before?
    Alice Draegonne: hi~
    Alice Draegonne: yes.
    Wester Kiranov: good
    Geoff Baily: how are you today alice
    Repose Lionheart: yes, good and bad
    Alice Draegonne: eden brings me here!
    Alice Draegonne: i'm fina.and you..
    Geoff Baily: Fine thanks
    Wester Kiranov: nice to know eden is spreading the word
    Repose Lionheart: join us
    Alice Draegonne: my pleasuer~
    Geoff Baily: To me a lot of SL seems about materialism and making money
    Geoff Baily: but there are also places like this too.....
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: :) It can't be very effective for making money
    Calvino Rabeni: A lot about sex and play-acting also
    Geoff Baily: I hear there are some millionaires. Prob scammers!!
    Alice Draegonne: yes,i think so
    Repose Lionheart: had a kid av named Skippy tell me the other day that he thought that synchronistic phenomena where heightened in sl
    Geoff Baily: ,
    Geoff Baily: ??
    Repose Lionheart: there are people/avs in here who make up for the seeming materialism
    Calvino Rabeni: hmm, what do you make of that?
    Repose Lionheart: what Skippy said?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Repose Lionheart: I agree
    Repose Lionheart: things, processes, are clarified in here
    Geoff Baily: yes
    Repose Lionheart: and it is as much a part of the world as rl
    Alice Draegonne: em..
    Wester Kiranov: how real do you think RL is?
    Repose Lionheart: hehehe
    Repose Lionheart: depends on who you talk to ㋡
    Repose Lionheart: smasara
    Repose Lionheart: samsara, too
    Calvino Rabeni: mascara, it is here
    Wester Kiranov: :D
    Repose Lionheart: lol
    Geoff Baily: haha
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like for that to happen in RL - the pause, I mean.
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Repose Lionheart: Alice, are you new to sl?
    Alice Draegonne: yes.
    Repose Lionheart: Welcome
    Alice Draegonne: just 3 days
    Alice Draegonne: thank you
    Repose Lionheart: Though, I'm pretty new myself
    Repose Lionheart: 3 months for me
    Alice Draegonne: lol
    Wester Kiranov: I still feel like a newbie, but it's been over a year now
    Calvino Rabeni: I spent a lot of time exploring at first - have you been doing that?
    Repose Lionheart: yes, i've certainly fumbled around a bit
    Repose Lionheart: oh, yes
    Repose Lionheart: great fun
    Wester Kiranov: not really. I tried some other things but I keep coming back here
    Repose Lionheart: this place can be bruising, too
    Calvino Rabeni: Only recently started building and scripting
    Geoff Baily: a little many places are empty of people
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Geoff, that is really true, I find it somewhat disturbing
    Repose Lionheart: ahh... you'll learn how to find them
    Repose Lionheart: if you stick with it
    Geoff Baily: yes ive found the building and scripting too
    Repose Lionheart: i've learned to change avs as i change socks ㋡
    Calvino Rabeni: I was resistant to buying things
    Repose Lionheart: oh?
    Wester Kiranov: I still am ;)
    Repose Lionheart: ahhh...
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you have alts, Repose, or just switch bodies for one account?
    Repose Lionheart: no, just me, Repose
    Repose Lionheart: one account
    Geoff Baily: 3 alts
    Repose Lionheart: like to develop one av
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm willing to buy something if I was going to build it anyway
    Repose Lionheart: aids in av identification, i think
    Repose Lionheart: oh
    Calvino Rabeni: Do you have a strategy with it, Geoff?
    Geoff Baily: good question.
    Geoff Baily: I friends who take me places..........
    Repose Lionheart: good
    Geoff Baily: Good way of finding out at first
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I created an alt to demo this group for a friend. I was responded to as a newbie. I wanted him to see that happen, or maybe, drive the alt.
    Calvino Rabeni: It felt a bit weird.
    Geoff Baily: I had thought of that
    Calvino Rabeni: It made a good impression though.
    Repose Lionheart: yeah, I'll bet...
    Repose Lionheart: the "weird" feeling, too
    Calvino Rabeni: Yeah, like being in disguise. And I felt a bit of guilt too, in that the people at the meeting had to do the "new person" routine.
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Repose Lionheart: yes, that would feel a bit odd
    Geoff Baily: did you tell later?
    Repose Lionheart: some mindbending effects in here
    Calvino Rabeni: Only much later
    Geoff Baily: mmmm
    Repose Lionheart: oh
    Geoff Baily: what did they say?


    I decided to ask Alice a bit about what she thought of PaB.


    Wester Kiranov: Alice, have you tried the 9-second practice?
    Alice Draegonne: what's that?
    Wester Kiranov: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Frequently_Asked_Questions
    Wester Kiranov: It's pretty much the basis of this group
    Wester Kiranov: a way to look at things radically differently
    Repose Lionheart: yes
    Wester Kiranov: You basically stop for 9 secs every 15 mins, and try to "drop" everything
    Geoff Baily: Alice, tell us how old you are
    Alice Draegonne: 20
    Geoff Baily: Do you like it here?
    Alice Draegonne: sure,i like talk wiith you
    Geoff Baily: What about?
    Geoff Baily: You talk to us about something
    Alice Draegonne: everything,i just want to hear you say
    Geoff Baily: that you want to
    Geoff Baily: What music do you like Alice?
    Geoff Baily: music
    Alice Draegonne: rihanna
    Alice Draegonne: her music is so great!
    Geoff Baily: Alice what song do you like best of hers


    And then we started to leave this loooong session, one by one.


    Geoff Baily: I must go soon thanks for the interesting session all of you.
    Alice Draegonne: umbrella, i like it very much
    Wester Kiranov: Yes, it was a lovely night ;)
    Alice Draegonne: ok, nice to meet you !
    Wester Kiranov: I think I will leave soon too - two and a half hours!
    Calvino Rabeni: A nice long session, I enjoyed it much. But starting to fade now, so I wll say good night.
    Repose Lionheart: Alice, you might like the Vortex
    Calvino Rabeni: See you all later, enjoy your day!
    Repose Lionheart: By, Calvino
    Repose Lionheart: good being with you
    Wester Kiranov: see you later. thanks
    Calvino Rabeni: bye
    Geoff Baily: Bye Bye all and thanks
    Repose Lionheart: Bye, Geoff
    Wester Kiranov: bye geoff
    Alice Draegonne: good night everybody,ok,i'll listen it
    Repose Lionheart: You've been here a long time, Wester ㋡
    Repose Lionheart: Dawn comes for me
    Wester Kiranov: Yes, I'm leaving soon. Bye, thanks. Feel free to stay a bit more but behave :)
    Repose Lionheart: hehehe
    Repose Lionheart: no, i need sleep
    Alice Draegonne: bye, sleep well
    Wester Kiranov: namaste
    Repose Lionheart: thanks
    Alice Draegonne: bye
    Wester Kiranov: bye repose, bye alice
    Repose Lionheart: by both of you!
    Alice Draegonne: bye.
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