2009.12.12 01:00 - Theories of everything

The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

Scathach Rhiadra: Hello arch
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertrum
Bertrum Quan: Good morning Scath
Scathach Rhiadra: so how are yu both this morning/night?
Bertrum Quan: Well, thanks. And you?
Scathach Rhiadra: fine thank you!
Archmage Atlantis: Hello, Scathach, Bertrum.......Doing well, and glad you both are also
Scathach Rhiadra: have you any topic you would like to discuss?
Archmage Atlantis: None in particular
Bertrum Quan: What topic would you suggest?
Scathach Rhiadra: oh, I have nothing in particular:)
Archmage Atlantis: I suppose we could discuss the relevance of no topic :)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: or just appreciate the silence:)
Bertrum Quan: Do you know if biocentrism has been a PaB topic?
Scathach Rhiadra: doubt it, though not sure what it means!
Bertrum Quan: It's a new scientific theory.
Scathach Rhiadra listens
Archmage Atlantis: Just looked it up, .... , a fancy way of saying reality is all in our minds, I think
Scathach Rhiadra: ah:)
Archmage Atlantis: How would you descrive it Bertrum
Archmage Atlantis: *describe
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Gaya, nice Avatar:))
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Scath, Bertrum and Archmage :)
Archmage Atlantis: Hi Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: Thanks :)
Bertrum Quan: Hi Gaya.
Archmage Atlantis: A 2 dimensional cat, Gaya?
Scathach Rhiadra: (we are just starting to talk about boicentrism)
Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok, please continue :)
Archmage Atlantis: Boicentrism, that is what teenage girls and gays have, right?
Archmage Atlantis: chortle
Bertrum Quan: What I read about it talked about "many worlds."
--BELL--
Bertrum Quan: There are an infinite number of universes. All exisiting simultaneously. Death does not exist in any of these scenarios.
Scathach Rhiadra: ah, is it like the many worlds theory of Quantum Mechanics?
Archmage Atlantis: The wikipedia article seems quite complete in discussing it as a theory ....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism
Bertrum Quan: Yes.
Archmage Atlantis: Although I do not see your points, Bertrum, made explicit in that article
Archmage Atlantis: Tho they many be implied?
Archmage Atlantis: *may
Bertrum Quan: Individual bodies self destruct but the eneregy doesn't go away at death.
Scathach Rhiadra reading...
Archmage Atlantis: Is this line of reasoning discussed somewhere ol, Bertrum, that would be an interesting read.
Qt Core: hi all
Archmage Atlantis: Hi, QT
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt!
Bertrum Quan: Hello QT
Qt Core: are you low res today, Gaya ?
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Qt :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, is it really just saying that we create our own universe, internally , nothing exists externally to the mind's perception of it, or is that too simplistic?
Scathach Rhiadra: Qt, we are discussing Biocentrism
Archmage Atlantis: Oh, we lost Bertrum.......that is my thought also Scatrach
Qt Core: following the idea about knowing that i don't know i will say we recreate an our own copy of the universe in our mind , an inexact copy too
Bertrum Quan: I feel that as an exploration of "reality" this theory is intriguing. Life but no death.
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Ryker
Bertrum Quan: Does this energy transcend one world to another?
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Ryker :)
Ryker Foxclaw: hey
--BELL--
Qt Core: hi Ryker
Ryker Foxclaw: hi
Scathach Rhiadra: Have you been here before Ryker?
Ryker Foxclaw: no
Scathach Rhiadra: ok, I will send you a notecard with some info about this group...
Ryker Foxclaw: thank you
Scathach Rhiadra: we are a meditation and discussion group which meets here 4 times a day
Ryker Foxclaw: sounds difficult
Scathach Rhiadra: we record our discussions and post to a public wiki, so I have to ask you if it ok to include your name and commentson the wiki?
Ryker Foxclaw: sure :)
Scathach Rhiadra: thank you:)
Qt Core: it is not so difficoulf, just be yourself or even better just be
Ryker Foxclaw: ok
Qt Core: that way it feasible even for people (like me) that don't have a philosophical/meditative background
Ryker Foxclaw: Ok. Are you all meditating?
Qt Core: no, but silences are common here, as people roll in their heads ideas/phrases read here
Ryker Foxclaw: Okay
Qt Core: or just got distracted by rl or ims ;-)
Scathach Rhiadra: heh, I doubt it, we have been discussing boicentrism, probably reading wikipedia, or just thinking about it:)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Ryker Foxclaw: hmm biocentrism
Scathach Rhiadra: Biocentrism*
Gaya Ethaniel doesn't know anything about Biocentrism and is listening ... as much as possible.
Ryker Foxclaw: ok
Ryker Foxclaw: i will listen also
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Qt Core: before going loosing myself in wikipedia, is biocentrism an enlarged formulation of the anthropic principle ?
Archmage Atlantis: Ryker, this is a good group, and a good place to explore philosophy and the meaning of life...it does center around a practice, ....the note Scathach gave you should give a good idea
Ryker Foxclaw: yes, i got lost in the second paragraph
Ryker Foxclaw: i read it all though
Archmage Atlantis: I was hoping Bertrum you would give us some reference works to read
Archmage Atlantis: The Wikipedia article doesn
Zon Quar: heya
Archmage Atlantis: t tie in well for me
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Zon
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Zeon :)
Ryker Foxclaw: Hi Zon
Bertrum Quan: Perhaps at some point, it would be interesting to hear Pema's take Biocentrism (he may have already addressed it as it draws on physics...
Archmage Atlantis: Hi Zon
Bertram Jacobus: hi all :-)
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Bertram
Ryker Foxclaw: Hi Bertram
Gaya Ethaniel: Hello Bertram :)
Archmage Atlantis: Greetings Bertram
Zon Quar: h bert
Bertrum Quan: I've only read one article. And that article reference an article in SCIENCE which I have not read,
Bertrum Quan: referenced
Bertram Jacobus: ty all. - wow - very strange "ava" today gaya ! :-D
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Qt Core: hi Zon, Bertram
Archmage Atlantis: More of a work of art, than just an av, Gaya *smile*
Ryker Foxclaw: this wiki article is tough
Bertram Jacobus: wouldn´t have recognized you without the nametag (!) ... ;o) (@ gaya)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: about which topics or from where are the articles, please, ryker and bertrum ?
Ryker Foxclaw: biocentrism - wiki
Bertram Jacobus: ah ! ty ...
Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentrism
Ryker Foxclaw: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i´ll try to find an article to that in german ...
Bertrum Quan: Have to log off -- it's late for me. Take every everyone.
Gaya Ethaniel: Bye :)
Bertram Jacobus: bye bertrum. have a good time !
Ryker Foxclaw: Good night Bertrum
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Bertrum, have a good night
Zon Quar: sounds nice thwery
Zon Quar: theory
Qt Core: bye bertrum
Scathach Rhiadra: yes, interesting, would like to read more about it
Bertram Jacobus: ah. an ethical topic ... life and it´s value ...
Bertram Jacobus: or - beings and their values ...
Zon Quar: must read in peace but its is better than the materialistic view wher we thnink of consciousness as a biproduct of matter that doesnt exist
Ryker Foxclaw: this is greek to me. an i'm not from greece
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: ah we don't always talk about such topics Ryker
Ryker Foxclaw: ah, just a heavy one for my first day? lol
Archmage Atlantis: Agree, Scathach
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Rykjer
Bertram Jacobus: what is or which are the "greek aspect(s)" for you , please , ryker ? :-)
Qt Core: read wikipedia, i don't like it at all
Ryker Foxclaw: it's the vocabulary
Ryker Foxclaw: it's okay, im soldiering on
Bertram Jacobus: oh. ah. "okay" :-)
Archmage Atlantis: That was well put Ryker, and honest....I like that
Ryker Foxclaw: Thank you
Ryker Foxclaw: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes, we complicate things a little too much, but sometimes things are hard to say with less complexity
Ryker Foxclaw: Is Biocentrism a popular theory?
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Ryker Foxclaw: Or well-known?
Zon Quar: i think any theory that is fun is better than a dull one..lol
Scathach Rhiadra: it seems to be relatively new theory
Ryker Foxclaw: and you have already been discussing it for some time?
Scathach Rhiadra: though the ideas behind it are fairly common in some traditional views
Bertram Jacobus: i did not discuss it before
Ryker Foxclaw: I mean, those who were here when I came
Scathach Rhiadra: we were discussing it just this hour
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Archmage Atlantis: Actuallly, the longer I look at Gaya's av, the more I want to say it looks like "Lewis Caroll meets Picasso as envisioned by Salvadore Dali" - I like it Gaya, it's enigmatic :)
Ryker Foxclaw: and what do people think about it?
Gaya Ethaniel: :)
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Archmage Atlantis: I hadn't heard of it before tonight Ryker.
Ryker Foxclaw: Ok
Qt Core: the thing i like in that avatar is the mouth, in a perennial wonder Ohhhh
Gaya Ethaniel: Time to get going ... :) See you later!
Scathach Rhiadra: like most theories, nice to look at sometimes, but not to get hunh-up on:)
Ryker Foxclaw: bye Gaya
Qt Core: bye Gaya
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Gaya, have a good day:)
Bertram Jacobus: bye gaya - have a great time please ! :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: yes, interesting
--BELL--
Ryker Foxclaw: what's with the silence?
Scathach Rhiadra: a time-out sort of, to just stop and be:)
Bertram Jacobus: it´s a idea to experience being without any clinging ...
Archmage Atlantis: Time to take care of RL, later all :) - it's been enjoyable as always
Ryker Foxclaw: Ok
Ryker Foxclaw: bye Archmage
Bertram Jacobus: bye arch -
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Arch, have a good day/night:)
Qt Core: it is an enlarged version of the practice you have read about in the noticecard and in the wiki, Ryker
Ryker Foxclaw: meditation
Bertram Jacobus: people leave "too fast" - not enough time to say goodbye ...
Qt Core: 90 sec instead of 9, same interval 15 min
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Ryker Foxclaw: ok
Bertram Jacobus: yes. very short meditation ryker
Ryker Foxclaw: do you guys meditate in RL?
Bertram Jacobus: me : yes
Bertram Jacobus: do you ?
Qt Core: me:no
Ryker Foxclaw: me? no
Qt Core: (or not yet)
Bertram Jacobus: yes . ty :o)
Scathach Rhiadra: well, I must go. Nice to meet you Ryker, have a good weekend all:)
Bertram Jacobus: bye scath - have a nice day too please
Ryker Foxclaw: Yes NIce to meet you. See you
Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
Qt Core: time to go for me too, havefun
Bertram Jacobus: bye qt, same for you ! :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: well, if everyone's off
Ryker Foxclaw: see ya At
Ryker Foxclaw: Qt
Ryker Foxclaw: sorry
Bertram Jacobus: not yet everyone (!) ... ;-)
Ryker Foxclaw: I thought you might be next
Ryker Foxclaw: lol
Bertram Jacobus: and no sorry necessairy for typos i guess ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: me ? hmmm - no ? perhaps you ? or zon ? ;-)
Ryker Foxclaw: I usually apologize for typos
Ryker Foxclaw: its a habit
Zon Quar: typos ?
Ryker Foxclaw: typing errors
Bertram Jacobus: yes :-)
Zon Quar: ah..lol i do it regurrlarly
Ryker Foxclaw: I didn't even see that you were still here Zon
Zon Quar: so i had to apologise all the time
Ryker Foxclaw: lol
Ryker Foxclaw: so what do we think of Biocentrism?
Zon Quar: 1st lines i read was nice
Bertram Jacobus: i´m more prctical and emotional orientated in these cases : as long as people understand ... it´s kinda "no topic" to me ... :-D
Zon Quar: yes.. all theories are just theories
Ryker Foxclaw: yes, but we must have opinions about them
Bertram Jacobus: oh. i think, it could even be boaring (!) - sorry : so simple, so easy - or unnessecarily complicated. on the other hand it can be entertainement.
Ryker Foxclaw: you know, unless we don't lol
Zon Quar: which thory u like most ryker ?
Zon Quar: theory
Ryker Foxclaw: what are the choices?
Ryker Foxclaw: um...
Zon Quar: pick any
Ryker Foxclaw: christianity?
Ryker Foxclaw: is that one?
Bertram Jacobus: nice
Bertram Jacobus: yes
Zon Quar: yes
Bertram Jacobus: i guess so
Ryker Foxclaw: oh cool. phew
Zon Quar: u like that most ?
Ryker Foxclaw: yes
Zon Quar: i like most the indian thoughts
Ryker Foxclaw: how about you guys
Ryker Foxclaw: like hedonism?
Zon Quar: vedas
Zon Quar: buddhissm
Zon Quar: taoism
Ryker Foxclaw: ah, what appeals to you Zon? about those
Zon Quar: someting...
Zon Quar: oneness
Zon Quar: of tha existence
Bertram Jacobus: i learn most rfrm buddhism. and from "the good jesus" as i like to call it. also the north american indians : yes : like them very much, too. and in the end : LOVE
Ryker Foxclaw: mm i see
Bertram Jacobus: from*
--BELL--
Ryker Foxclaw: thank goodness for that silence, i can go to the bathroom
Zon Quar: freedom from authorities ..direct experience.. attitude of ecploring
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Zon Quar: exploring urself
Ryker Foxclaw: i see
Zon Quar: kind of scientific attitude...
Bertram Jacobus: i find it interesting : in this group, my impression is, always new people bring the most fresh wind ...
Zon Quar: yes
Zon Quar: and different views
Bertram Jacobus: openness !
Ryker Foxclaw: i have never been to this kind of sim before
Ryker Foxclaw: i am grateful for the welcoming atmosphere and at the same time nervous
Bertram Jacobus: but i appreciate your contributions very much ryker
Ryker Foxclaw: and i appreciate your encouragement, both of you
Zon Quar: nervous ? why ?
Ryker Foxclaw: new situation, you know, new people
Zon Quar: ah..
Ryker Foxclaw: i've found that even though people say "Just be yourself"
Zon Quar: here ppl r very respectful..iv noticed
Ryker Foxclaw: few of them mean it
Ryker Foxclaw: yes, its nice here
Bertram Jacobus: nice notion and very interesting again ryker ! (this with "be yourself") ...
Ryker Foxclaw: thank you
Bertram Jacobus: my conviction is more : ever help, never harm - and that includes me too ... not so easy but a nice orientation i find ...
Zon Quar: im off for lunch , c u all later
Ryker Foxclaw: i was somewhere else when someone said "just be yourself" and i said something which the "intellectuals" thought was stupid
Ryker Foxclaw: bye Zon
Bertram Jacobus: bey zon have a great time
Ryker Foxclaw: have a good one
Zon Quar: bows
Ryker Foxclaw: :)
Bertram Jacobus: i have not the impression you were "stupid" at all ! ... :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: It's a good orientation to have
Ryker Foxclaw: it was a different sim lol
Bertram Jacobus: and to much intellectualism is for sure not very good -
Ryker Foxclaw: i agree. i speak simply, i find it's the best way
Bertram Jacobus: buddha taught "the middle way" ... by the way : what do you find in christianity special - if i may ask ? :-)
Bertram Jacobus: oh i agree so much ! simplicity is top ! :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: i have a book on Buddha but i haven't had time to read it
Bertram Jacobus: there are so many books about that - very bad ones and very good ones ...
Ryker Foxclaw: I find solace when I pray. Also, many of my prayers have been answered in ways that could only be explained as massive coincidences
Bertram Jacobus: i see. very nice explanation. ty
Ryker Foxclaw: no problem. thanks for asking :)
Bertram Jacobus: :-))
Ryker Foxclaw: Are you in Germany?
Bertram Jacobus: which sims you visit normally here or did you visit already ?
Bertram Jacobus: yes. i live in cologne. and you ? :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: I like to get $L by gaming
Ryker Foxclaw: I also enjoy the truthball cafe, conversation is somewhat simpler
Ryker Foxclaw: I am from New Zealand
Bertram Jacobus: lol. i see. a long time i played the money chairs run with all the others who do that and sploders ... which games do you play ?
Ryker Foxclaw: 7GO and JOKERsomething
Bertram Jacobus: truthball cafe !? never heard that before ... may be i´ll have a look sometimes there ...
Ryker Foxclaw: there is a crystal ball
Ryker Foxclaw: and when you click it, it shouts a question for the room or just you to answer
Bertram Jacobus: and ... new zealand has similar timezone like europe, isn´t that so ? here it´s 11:28
Bertram Jacobus: am
Ryker Foxclaw: 11:28pm here
Ryker Foxclaw: there
Ryker Foxclaw: I'm in Korea now
Bertram Jacobus: korea !? why that ? :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: I work here :)
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: whaow - do you often fly home ?
Ryker Foxclaw: once a year
Bertram Jacobus: okay ... interesting ...
Bertram Jacobus: and you are interested in spiritual topics ? ethics and so ? :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: yes, there has to be more to SL than sex and shopping
Bertram Jacobus: yes. and - it exists ! :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: yes. i think i will come back here
Ryker Foxclaw: I have many German friends, I want to go there
Bertram Jacobus: wonderful ! may it be a pleasure for you too always ! :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: thank you Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: when you come to cologne - i can show you the town a bit ... :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: where is cologne? north? west?
Bertram Jacobus: west
Ryker Foxclaw: great, i forgot where my western friends live though
Bertram Jacobus: and in north - south direction : middle
Ryker Foxclaw: karlsruhe
Bertram Jacobus: would one call that middle west then ?
Ryker Foxclaw: yes, americans would say the midwest
Bertram Jacobus: ah. karlsruhe is about 200 / 250 km away - that should be about 150 miles ...
Ryker Foxclaw: no, not karlsruhe....hmmm
Ryker Foxclaw: kaisershlauten
Bertram Jacobus: ah ! a bit nearer : 200 km / 130 miles
Ryker Foxclaw: kaiserschautern?
Ryker Foxclaw: lol
Ryker Foxclaw: yeah there
Bertram Jacobus: kaiserslautern
Ryker Foxclaw: okay. Sorry.
Ryker Foxclaw: lol
Bertram Jacobus: hey ! ;o))
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Ryker Foxclaw: my main reason to visit will be my friend in Stuttgart
Bertram Jacobus: i see. also a very intersting town ...
Ryker Foxclaw: is it?
Bertram Jacobus: quite rich but kind of alternative too. strange mixture.
Ryker Foxclaw: great. suddenly i want to go now
Ryker Foxclaw: lol
Bertram Jacobus: quite materialistic. but as i said before ... all in motion ... ("alrenative" in a not so very clear form for me yet) ... hm -
Bertram Jacobus: ok. leave ? from here ? or go to stuttgart ? :o)
Ryker Foxclaw: stuttgart :)
Bertram Jacobus: ah ! :-)
Ryker Foxclaw: but also, i have to go lol
Ryker Foxclaw: :(
Bertram Jacobus: ah :o)
Bertram Jacobus: okay ... all is limited, all relative ...
Ryker Foxclaw: without a doubt we shall meet again
Ryker Foxclaw: yes
Bertram Jacobus: i would appreciate it very much
Ryker Foxclaw: excellent
Ryker Foxclaw: Be well Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: have a great time ryker !
Ryker Foxclaw: goodnight
Bertram Jacobus: was a real pleasure to meet you
Ryker Foxclaw: you too
Ryker Foxclaw: bye