2009.12.10 13:00 - feeling no-time?

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

Qt Core: Hi Lia
Lia Rikugun: hello Qt
Agatha Macbeth: Hi QT Lia
Lia Rikugun: hello agatha
Qt Core: Hi Agatha
Agatha Macbeth: I just had a crash and appeared iside the village hall!
Agatha Macbeth: inside
Qt Core: while you were walking you had a script error sign near your left elbow, Agatha
Bertram Jacobus: hi all - how are you ? :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, what does that mean?
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bert
Lia Rikugun: hi bertram good thank you and you?
Qt Core: don't know
Agatha Macbeth: Hee hee thanks!
Wol Euler: hello everyone
Qt Core: not bad, bert, and you
Bertram Jacobus: don´t ask lia ... ty ;-9
Qt Core: ?
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Wol:)
Lia Rikugun: hello liza
Qt Core: hi wol
Liza Deischer: hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Liza
Bertram Jacobus: and qt - same - ty you for asking but i don´t want to bore here ...
Qt Core: ok
Bertram Jacobus: hey wol ! :-)
Lia Rikugun: oh hi wol
Wol Euler: hiya
Bertram Jacobus: and liza ! :-)
Liza Deischer: hi
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol!
Wol Euler: feels less like an interview this way
Bertram Jacobus: lol. nice choice wol
Lia Rikugun: :)
Liza Deischer: :)
Bertram Jacobus: tribunal - does that word exist in english ?
Agatha Macbeth: Yup
Wol Euler: oh yes
Bertram Jacobus: lol oke
Bertram Jacobus: hey sll ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: sry : ssl
Wol Euler: hello sophia, aubergine
Lia Rikugun: hello Sophiasharon
Bertram Jacobus: hy aubergine ...
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Soph :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi all :) sl doing weird things, had to clear cache, taking forever to rez
Liza Deischer: hi aubergine
Aubergine Mint: hi everyone
Liza Deischer: hi sophia
Agatha Macbeth: Hi minty Aubergine!
Bertram Jacobus: i call that "normal" ssl ... ;-)
Qt Core: hi aubergine, sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Bert :(
SophiaSharon Larnia: umm and this message is texting repeatedly "SophiaSharon Larnia's PaB Listener: No longer recording. Have a nice day. :)"
Bertram Jacobus: the best picture i ever heard about sl was "i take it like the whether, sometimes sunshine, sometimes rain" ... :-)
Agatha Macbeth: Whether or not Bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: oh wheather ?
Agatha Macbeth: Nearly!
Agatha Macbeth: Stormy wheather?
Bertram Jacobus: grmbl ... %$?=*#%&
Bertram Jacobus: ;o)
Wol Euler hums Stormy Monday
Agatha Macbeth: Tee hee...only kidding :)
Alfred Kelberry: hey!
Liza Deischer: hi alfred
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi Alfred
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Alf
Lia Rikugun: hello alfred
Bertram Jacobus: hello alfred :-)
Wol Euler: hello alf
Qt Core: hi Alfred
Alfred Kelberry: good to see you all :)
Agatha Macbeth: U2
SophiaSharon Larnia: i cant see much still *cries*
Bertram Jacobus: a reliable group ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: ups ssl ... sry for you ! ... :-/
SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
Alfred Kelberry takes a deep breath and relaxes
Agatha Macbeth: Cant see much, why Soph?
Wol Euler: hello calvino
SophiaSharon Larnia: umm dont know, in sl
Bertram Jacobus: nice idea alfred - don´t want to take a seat ?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Liza Deischer: hi calvino
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Cal
SophiaSharon Larnia: lost a bunch of inventory, all my gestures
Alfred Kelberry: ah, yes.. thank you, bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: hy cal
Lia Rikugun: hello calvino
Wol Euler: O.O
Agatha Macbeth: Nasty
SophiaSharon Larnia: yup
Bertram Jacobus: should come back ssl
Agatha Macbeth: I've heard of that happening
SophiaSharon Larnia: i think a few i know have it worse right now
Wol Euler: actually, there are server and region restarts happening today, that might be the cause.
Wol Euler: if so, the lost items should be back tomorrow
Alfred Kelberry: wol is in the know, as usual :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: does make one think of attachment, specifically
Wol Euler points to SL's Twitter feed.
SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh thanks Wol *breaths a sigh of releif*
Wol Euler: indeed, we get attached to our attachments here
Wol Euler: or vice versa
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Bertram Jacobus: hy yaku
Alfred Kelberry: i won't be surprised if you can tell what exact asset server my scarf is on, wol :)
Agatha Macbeth: That must mean Yaku is here
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Yaku
SophiaSharon Larnia: especially if you put a lot of work in creating something, and then it is gone
Liza Deischer: hi yakuzza
Lia Rikugun: hello yakuzza
Wol Euler: hello yaku's steaming teacup
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Aubergine Mint: hi Yaku
Qt Core: hi Yak
Agatha Macbeth: Me too i think....
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Yakuzza
Jamaican Spice whispers: A beautiful zesty herbal infusion with brilliant red liquor and a bouquet of flavors accented by the tartness of hibiscus, properly offset by the sweetness of cinnamon. Added cloves and orange peel inspire joyful dancing! A little spicy, a little sweet, just like you, Agatha Macbeth
Calvino Rabeni: belatedly -hi all :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Calvino
Alfred Kelberry: wol, nice idea to talk to the things that represent us :)
Wol Euler: :)
Bertram Jacobus: again a hi to you cal - for the case you could not read it before ... :-)
Wol Euler: I was thinking of that some time ago, how to represent ourselves here.
Alfred Kelberry: hi, leather boots :)
Wol Euler: Alf is easy, scarf and tulips
Wol Euler: I'm easy too, leather and black lace
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Can't beat it
Wol Euler: mmhmm :)
Alfred Kelberry: mint's got a hoodie :)
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Wol Euler: mmhmm
Aubergine Mint: :)
Alfred Kelberry: hey, and uggs, too :)
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Aubergine Mint: :)
Wol Euler: qt is recognizable by his Star Trek communicator badge
Qt Core: ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: or by the qt library :)
Qt Core: no, alfred, the comm badge
Qt Core: never used that library
Alfred Kelberry: well, it's my skewed perception :)
Qt Core: that's ok, better than the people reading my name as cute ;-)
Alfred Kelberry: btw, wol, you forgot my little penguin friend here - he says hi :)
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Wol Euler: sorry pingu! hello
Lia Rikugun: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Or Cutie :)
Alfred Kelberry: well, qt is cute :)
Qt Core: even worse :)
Agatha Macbeth: I don't disagree!
Agatha Macbeth: With Alfred that is
Bertram Jacobus: i guess qt is ... qt ? :-)
Alfred Kelberry: :P
Agatha Macbeth: Calm down Bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: that was only ONE sentence (!?) ... hm ...
Qt Core: :-) it really has a story, i used qt (or something like that) since i got online more than 10 years ago
Agatha Macbeth: Fox approacheth
Bertram Jacobus: hello fox :o)
Agatha Macbeth: Here he comes....
Agatha Macbeth: Et voila!
Lia Rikugun: hello fox
Fox Monacular: hello all
Bertram Jacobus: great
Qt Core: hi Fox
Wol Euler: hello fox
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Fox
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Fox
Aubergine Mint: hi Fox
Liza Deischer: hi fox
Agatha Macbeth: She
Bertram Jacobus: who ?
Alfred Kelberry: oh... lia has a tail :)
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Lia Rikugun: do you want one too?
Alfred Kelberry: em.. why not :)
Wol Euler: it's an onigokko
Lia Rikugun: one sec :)
Fox Monacular: I don't go to Pab without my tail anymore... just in case :)
Wol Euler: ah, abergine and liza might not know that eihter!
Wol Euler: hehehehe
Liza Deischer: ????
Wol Euler: it's sort of a PaB trdition.
Alfred Kelberry: wait, wher edid your tail go, lia?
Wol Euler: invisible, quite harmless
Aubergine Mint accepted your inventory offer.
Wol Euler: wear it :)
Wol Euler: especially here, and particularly especially on fridays
Alfred Kelberry: what? wearing a tail is a pab's tradition?
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
Lia Rikugun: everyone wears one?
Bertram Jacobus: onigokko ? :-)
Wol Euler: wearing an onigokko is.
Aubergine Mint: what does it do for me?
Wol Euler: noting at all, until somebody says the magic word
Wol Euler giggles
Lia Rikugun: ....
Yakuzza Lethecus: poison´s ur mind with ethernal silliness :)
Bertram Jacobus: who does it ?
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: it's bad form to say it if you aren't wearing one yourself.
Lia Rikugun: onigokko
Bertram Jacobus: lool
Wol Euler laughs
Lia Rikugun: HAHA
Bertram Jacobus: lia did it ! :o)
SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Aubergine Mint: a hoot!
Bertram Jacobus: stop
Alfred Kelberry: now this is cool! :)
Bertram Jacobus: *ggg*
Wol Euler: heheheh
Aubergine Mint: nice!
Liza Deischer: okay........ :)
Agatha Macbeth: Where were you Liza?
Alfred Kelberry: man, i loved it :)
Bertram Jacobus: then ...
Wol Euler: what, you've never done that before alf?
Bertram Jacobus: we can have it again ! ... :o)
Alfred Kelberry: quite refreshing :)
Alfred Kelberry: nope, first time
Bertram Jacobus: o
Bertram Jacobus: ni
Lia Rikugun: :D
Bertram Jacobus: onigokko
Bertram Jacobus: ! :o)
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Bertram Jacobus: and now nobody stops it ... :o)
Lia Rikugun: :)
Lia Rikugun: stop
Aubergine Mint: this is the most fun I've had yet at PaB!
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Wol Euler: we are thinking of doing it in RL at the retreat in Malta.
Alfred Kelberry: flash mob :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: hahahaha
Lia Rikugun: yeah!
Qt Core: !
Lia Rikugun: looking forward to it
Alfred Kelberry: played on qt and liza apparently :)
Bertram Jacobus: lol alf - yess ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: (flashmob)
Agatha Macbeth: Same to you Bert
Bertram Jacobus: same to me (?)
Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh :)
Alfred Kelberry: i think she likes you, bert :)
Bertram Jacobus: it´s terrible not to be a native english speaker ! ...
Agatha Macbeth: Oi
Agatha Macbeth: You're probably better than me
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Irish Tea whispers: Ahh tea, irish whiskey and cream....oh ya...now this is good, Agatha Macbeth.  You know they say that God invented whiskey so the Irish would not take over the world.  Well this is a fine way to serve it.
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Wol Euler grins. Ty, sophia
Lia Rikugun: I may have a question
Agatha Macbeth: We may have an answer
Bertram Jacobus: please, ask lia !
Lia Rikugun: :) I hope so

 

how do I feel no-time?

Lia Rikugun: I was thinking about time today
Lia Rikugun: and trying to fell no-time
Lia Rikugun: to loose the sense of linearity
Bertram Jacobus: (or many answers ... and associations) ...
Lia Rikugun: and somehow this turns out to be very difficult for me
Bertram Jacobus: normal
Lia Rikugun: I am just wondering how you are approaching this idea
Bertram Jacobus: interesting
Bertram Jacobus: not easy to come free from habits
Bertram Jacobus: why did you want to do that ?
Lia Rikugun: yes yes, the structuring happens in our brain
Lia Rikugun: hm because this semms to be a partial 'goal' no-time, no-self
Bertram Jacobus: i see
Aubergine Mint: really?
Aubergine Mint: why no time?
Bertram Jacobus: for me, there are two states relating to this : linear being - and the here and now ...
Aubergine Mint: what can we keep in this group?
Lia Rikugun: aubergine, I am not sure i can give you a good answer
Bertram Jacobus: keep ? nothing ?
Lia Rikugun: yes here and now, this is somehow easier
Lia Rikugun: to concentrate on the here and now
Bertram Jacobus: easier as what please ?
Lia Rikugun: than no-time
Bertram Jacobus: ah okay
Liza Deischer: can you tell us a little bit more about your experiences with no time Lia
Aubergine Mint: isn't the here and now time?
Lia Rikugun: hm
Lia Rikugun: let me think
Bertram Jacobus: beyond words - may be not aubergine (?) ...
Aubergine Mint: how so?
Lia Rikugun: basically I am still trying to understand what this no-time exatcly means
Bertram Jacobus: bye trying, experiencing i guess aubergine
Lia Rikugun: in some buddhist books I believe it is described but I do not have a citation at my hand
Agatha Macbeth: Where are the Tralthamadorians when you need 'em?
Bertram Jacobus: and may be one can call it "one of the thousands words for the same thing" -
Lia Rikugun: actually we have a time workshop which is held every monday at 2pm
Alfred Kelberry: no-time for me would be a singularity
Lia Rikugun: we started talking about time

 

SophiaSharon had an interesting experience meditating and feeling like floating on the sea

SophiaSharon Larnia: have you ever meditated in a reclining position, and visualized that you are floating on the sea, after a while you can feel the movement of the water, and thought drops away, that to me is no-time
Lia Rikugun: and now we are reading and discussing the Time Space and Knowledge book
Wol Euler: ooh, an arcane yet aposite Kurt Vonnegut reference. Ten points to you.
Lia Rikugun: this is why I am thinking about it
Bertram Jacobus: trathalmadorians ! i search and miss them too, so often ! ...
Agatha Macbeth: Thank you dear :)
Wol Euler: :)
Lia Rikugun: wow sophia
Lia Rikugun: i had a similar feeling while meditating
Lia Rikugun: but i was enclosed by a complete darkness
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
Lia Rikugun: with no relative points
Lia Rikugun: nothing to grasp
Lia Rikugun: nothing changing
Alfred Kelberry: agatha, is it about a possibility of having a no-time experience?
Lia Rikugun: somehow like no-time
Agatha Macbeth: Don't ask me, ask Billy Pilgrim :)
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tralfamadore
Calvino Rabeni: On the next pause, we can put our attention on time (proposal)
Agatha Macbeth: Shame about Dresden. (Truly)
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Bertram Jacobus: hi steve
Lia Rikugun: hi steve
Wol Euler: hello steve
Liza Deischer: hi steve
SophiaSharon Larnia: thanks Lia, for putting in words what is difficult for me to express
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Stevenaia
stevenaia Michinaga: hello
Lia Rikugun: it is always very difficult for me
Lia Rikugun: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Steve
stevenaia Michinaga: :)

 

how can we shift our experience of time?

Calvino Rabeni: A question is, what can you do that shifts your experience of time in some way?
Lia Rikugun: hm, you could see everything as appearances :)
Lia Rikugun: then what you see now is an appearance
Lia Rikugun: not future
Wol Euler: alcohol, reading, cinema, meditation, work ...
Calvino Rabeni: interesting
Lia Rikugun: but I dont know
Alfred Kelberry: first, i assume, you'd like to put yourself in a place that doesn't change often :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes wol. i thought similar : "everything" ...
Wol Euler: :)
Bertram Jacobus: not to forget : sitting on a hotplate (!) ;-)
Lia Rikugun: :) autch
Alfred Kelberry: this is probably why meditation is usually done in a quiet, motionless environment that facilitates the no-time experience
Bertram Jacobus: changes your time feeling very quick
Calvino Rabeni: IMO, part of doing phenomenology - studying experience - is to look at what you already have as experience, and look for new distinctions to emerge there
Calvino Rabeni: does that make sense?
Liza Deischer: do you experience time when youre sitting on a hotplate
Lia Rikugun: can you say more calvine please
Bertram Jacobus: when you lead your attention to that : yes you can i would say liza
Calvino Rabeni: It is a somewhat different approach than taking a concept like "no time" and trying to imagine "all the way there"
Calvino Rabeni: WHich might sometimes work
Liza Deischer: I wonder
Calvino Rabeni: It is
Liza Deischer: can you lead your attention at that moment
Calvino Rabeni: more incremental an approach
Bertram Jacobus: one must be a bit trained i would think liza

 

Alfred Kelberry: calvino, if i get it right, it looks a lot like a good scientific method. you do the experiments (experiences) a number of times and then compare results (distinctions) in order to understand the process :)
Bertram Jacobus: "a bit"
Calvino Rabeni: in a way, yes. Also like proceeding carefully step by step
Alfred Kelberry: i like this concept better than a vague no-time notion
Calvino Rabeni: Suppose time is like a string
Calvino Rabeni: and your experiences are like pearls on that string
SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
Calvino Rabeni: So each one shines fully because - the shine is the quality of attention it gets

 

A samurai movie has a scene where opponents face off and stare silently but full of attention

Calvino Rabeni: Did you ever watch samurai movie?
Lia Rikugun: no :(
Wol Euler: yes :)
Calvino Rabeni: Unlike the kung fu movie there is a type of scene
Agatha Macbeth: One or two
Bertram Jacobus: "the last samurai" - with tom cruise (!)
Alfred Kelberry: shashabooey! :)
Calvino Rabeni: where the opponents face off and stare silently
Calvino Rabeni: but with full attention - as if there is a break, the other can enter that gap
Yakuzza Lethecus: night
Agatha Macbeth: The Water margin was brilliant
Alfred Kelberry: bert, right, the only one i recall
Agatha Macbeth: And Kagemusha
Calvino Rabeni: So it becomes life-and-death matter for them to be "in the moment"
SophiaSharon Larnia: what is the opponent here
Alfred Kelberry: calvino, wild west shooters do that too :)
Wol Euler nods
Agatha Macbeth: Solid snake said much the same :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes very tru, the showdown scene
Calvino Rabeni: Opponent here is the world
Liza Deischer: ??
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Bertram Jacobus: i like these / your thoughts cal - ty ! ...
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SophiaSharon Larnia: the world or the ego?
Liza Deischer: right
Calvino Rabeni: Kind of I meant, phenomena - they seem to come at one - but only appear if there is attention
Aubergine Mint: bye everyone
Agatha Macbeth: Like that tree in the forest?
Wol Euler: bye aubergine, take care
Lia Rikugun: bye aubergine
Bertram Jacobus: bye aubergine ...
Calvino Rabeni: "Time is nature's way of making sure that everything does not happen all at once"
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Aubergine
Liza Deischer: bye aubergine
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Aubergine
Alfred Kelberry: bye, hoodie :)
Wol Euler: nice, calvino
Calvino Rabeni: Unfortunately - I can't be here and at the WOK presentation in the Kira Cafe at the same time
Calvino Rabeni: it happens next, yes?
Alfred Kelberry: cal, i like this one
Calvino Rabeni: TY alfred
Lia Rikugun: makes me thinking
Alfred Kelberry: but i don't get the world is the opponent thing
Calvino Rabeni: Not that it is against you - it is a metaphor for the way it comes at us as experiences, like the samurai opponent
Calvino Rabeni: Shifting the experience of time might have to do with dropping the notion that things come at us through a kind of funnel
Calvino Rabeni: For me, it seems to mix in with knowledge at that point
Calvino Rabeni: I am not proposing answers, or definitions
SophiaSharon Larnia: how the world is interpreted by the ego maybe
Calvino Rabeni: just suggesting a way of proceeding by making distinctions in experience
Calvino Rabeni: sophia that sounds like a good distinction
Lia Rikugun: thank you calvino for the suggestions, will need to think about, sorry I will have to go, goodbye to everyone!
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Lia
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Lia
Calvino Rabeni: Same here, I must go. Thanks, all.
Liza Deischer: bye lia
Wol Euler: goodnight lia, take care; bye calvino
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Calvino
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Cal

Alfred Kelberry: one way i can think of it is that this scene presents kind of 2 time frames. one is "in the moment" for the 2 samurai and another is "the world" that is forcing them to go on.
Liza Deischer: bye cal
Calvino Rabeni: bye
Alfred Kelberry: oh, bye, cal
stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off, bye all
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye everyone, take care :)
Agatha Macbeth: So long steve
Wol Euler: bye steve; bye sophia
Agatha Macbeth: Bye *everybody*!
Wol Euler: :)
Liza Deischer: bye agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Was it something I said?
Wol Euler: only the incorrigibles remain.
Agatha Macbeth: I'm still here Liza!
Alfred Kelberry: the funny thing about pheno, it starts like a scientific method, but ends up with the world the opponent :)
Liza Deischer: sorry
Agatha Macbeth: NP :)
Wol Euler: metaphorical opponent :)
Alfred Kelberry: yes, all the meta stuff :)
Alfred Kelberry: recursive :)
Wol Euler: Calvino reminded me of one of my favourite films, The Yakuza; I'd been reading the wikipedia article about it
Alfred Kelberry: the questions is, how many iterations can you handle? :)
Alfred Kelberry: japanese?
Agatha Macbeth: Japanese mafia, yes?
Alfred Kelberry: i mean, the movie
Wol Euler: yes, and no
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Wol Euler: it's a Western :)
Agatha Macbeth: Most of them are....
Wol Euler: in that it addresses the Western themes of duty and honour and comradeship
Wol Euler: (leaving aside for the moment that business about massacring the Indians...)
Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah
Wol Euler: anyway, a little distraction; sorry.
Alfred Kelberry: distraction is good
Agatha Macbeth: No worries Wol :)
Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
Alfred Kelberry: haha
Wol Euler: heheheheheheh
Agatha Macbeth: stop
Alfred Kelberry: now, look at qt :)
Alfred Kelberry: he doesn't think it's funny i guess :)
Agatha Macbeth: awww
Qt Core: yes ?
Alfred Kelberry: or his tail is too short :)
Agatha Macbeth: He has a tail?
Alfred Kelberry: er..
Qt Core: in this form no
Alfred Kelberry: wol? help? :)
Alfred Kelberry: (distraction time)
Wol Euler: eh?
Agatha Macbeth: She's probably in the kitchen
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Wol Euler: naah
Alfred Kelberry: yea
Agatha Macbeth: Not this time
Wol Euler: Qt has the right not to be silly.
Agatha Macbeth: Sure!
Alfred Kelberry: oh yes, the trek thing
--BELL--
Qt Core: qt is silly, he just don't like to dance
Agatha Macbeth: Wol, in the top right corner of the emerald viewer is a bar going up and down, what is it?
Wol Euler: net work activity, I think. inbound on the right and outbound on the left
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Liza Deischer: Im off
Agatha Macbeth: It keeps changing colour
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Liza
Liza Deischer: see you folks
Wol Euler: goodniht liza, take care
Qt Core: bye liza
Agatha Macbeth: Hello again!
Wol Euler: mmhmm, it's a display of busy-ness
Wol Euler: green for good, yellow for getting sticky, red for slowing right down
Agatha Macbeth: Riiiight
Agatha Macbeth: But my lag meter says all green?
Wol Euler: yes, do the bars disagree?
Agatha Macbeth: Having said that, the top oneis now green again!
Agatha Macbeth: And low
Wol Euler: mine too. I wouldn't pay too much attention to it, they only tell you what you can already see and feel :)
Agatha Macbeth: yeah, you know when it's laggy :)
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Have you ever been to Frank's jazz club?
Wol Euler: no, don't know that.
Agatha Macbeth: Now *that* is laggy!
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: The worst in SL by far
Wol Euler: popular places usually are, it's the curse of SL
Agatha Macbeth: In my experience
Agatha Macbeth: It can take half an hour just to walk up the stairs
Wol Euler: heh
Qt Core: i had quite bad experience (and i usually don't have lag) in Italia Vera: Milano Vera, Provincia di Italia Vera (Italy) (basically the Duomo square of Milan
Agatha Macbeth: In SL?
Qt Core: yes, many people and a lot of graphic to render the Duomo, the Gallery and the square
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: and probably huge texture files too.
Qt Core: yes, many details
Agatha Macbeth: The more prims the worse it gets, no?
Qt Core: have the place in my picks if you n eed some more lag ;-)
Wol Euler: mmmmm, prims as such are only a problem if they are moving
Wol Euler: it's the textures that cause the real lag, as they get downloaded
Wol Euler: the kira cafe is nearly 3000 prims, but it is low lag because there are very few and very small textures
Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh
Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't here some kind of 'disaster' with the cafe once?
Agatha Macbeth: there
Wol Euler: mmhmm, the in-world story is that hte kitchen caught fire and it burned dnwo
Agatha Macbeth: How?
Wol Euler: the prosaic truth is that the land changed ownership and the prims got returned to Storm
Wol Euler: one by one
Wol Euler: individually
Wol Euler: O.O
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, i read about that in the logs
Wol Euler laughs.
Agatha Macbeth: Poor storm!
Wol Euler: really
Agatha Macbeth: But he rebuilt it natch
Wol Euler: Pema was pretty sick about it too, because it was his action that caused it.
Agatha Macbeth: How so?
Wol Euler: well, he instigated the land-ownership change, from one group to another, rationalizing landholdings to save money
Agatha Macbeth: erk
Wol Euler: not realizing that objects on the land would be affected.
Agatha Macbeth: The unacceptable face of capitalism?
Wol Euler: heh
Wol Euler: "the hidden risks of complex systems" might be closer.
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed ;)
Alfred Kelberry: er.. sorry, have to go
Wol Euler: bye alf, take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Alf
Alfred Kelberry: enjoy the pab :)
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Qt Core: bye Alf
--BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: It's quiet...too quiet
Wol Euler cocks her rifle
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Qt Core: suddeltly the monster shows himself out of the fountain
Agatha Macbeth: Who is Suddelty the Monster?
Wol Euler calmly expels and bans it.
Qt Core: an inhabitant of Typonia
Agatha Macbeth: Use the BRP :)
Wol Euler: my dears, it is late, I must go.
Agatha Macbeth: Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Wol, take care
Wol Euler: goodnight, take care, be happy.
Qt Core: bye Wol
Agatha Macbeth: Oh well, ciao QT
Qt Core: ciao Agatha