2009.12.16 01:00 - from silence to intuition

The Guardian for this meeting was Bolonath Crystal. The comments are by Bolonath Crystal.

    Bolonath Crystal: namaste geoff
    Geoff Baily: hi!!
    Geoff Baily: namaste
    --BELL--

'all forms of sound are a manifestation of silence'

    Geoff Baily: quiet time
    Bolonath Crystal: yes
    Geoff Baily: nice
    Bolonath Crystal: i like silence. it is a form of peace
    Nymf Hathaway: Hello :)
    Geoff Baily: me too, gives us space to be
    Bolonath Crystal: namaste nymf
    Geoff Baily: Hi Nymf
    Nymf Hathaway: The topic is Silence? :)
    Bolonath Crystal: would be a nice topic :)
    Geoff Baily: ?:)
    Nymf Hathaway: Silence is peaceful indeed :)
    Bolonath Crystal: there are so many distractions in rl... for me the inner silence is a kind of retreat
    Geoff Baily: Lucky to have it
    Geoff Baily: here
    Bolonath Crystal: the 9 sec-practice is a way to find silence in rl, too
    Nymf Hathaway: Agrees
    Bolonath Crystal: actually silence is always there, behind the noise
    Geoff Baily: YES
    Geoff Baily: birdsong tho? too
    Geoff Baily: is that silence?
    Nymf Hathaway: For me the combination water-silence works the best... shower, lake, river etc
    Geoff Baily: yes the fountain too
    Nymf Hathaway: yes
    Bolonath Crystal: all forms of sound are a manifestation of silence, just as everything is a manifestation of emptyness (in the buddhist sense)
    Geoff Baily: ;))))
    Bolonath Crystal: hindus would call it 'brahman'
    Geoff Baily: :)
    Geoff Baily: different paths but the same..........
    Bolonath Crystal: not surprising. the different paths are different ways to reach the same
    Geoff Baily: but then we are the path
    Geoff Baily: advice form an old traveller
    Geoff Baily: do not look for the path at your feet
    Geoff Baily: look for it on the far side of the valley
    Geoff Baily: :)
    Bolonath Crystal: but nevertheless mind your steps ;)
    Geoff Baily: YES YES YES
    Bolonath Crystal: namaste cal
    Nymf Hathaway: Hi Calvino :)
    Geoff Baily: Hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello all,
    Calvino Rabeni: what came before YES YES YES :) ?
    Geoff Baily: paths
    Bolonath Crystal: we started with talking about silence
    Bolonath Crystal: talking about silence... *g* what a paradoxon. silence can only be experienced in silence
    Nymf Hathaway: Quite quiet :)
    --BELL--
    Bolonath Crystal: how do you experience silence?
    Calvino Rabeni: As you may,I think, bolo
    Bolonath Crystal: ehm... i mean, do you have a special way /technique to reach a state of inner silence, especially when life gets 'noisy'?
    Calvino Rabeni: May I quote you?
    Bolonath Crystal: of course
    Calvino Rabeni: Bolonath Crystal: i often meditate about the silence behind the sounds Bolonath Crystal: silence is always there, even in the crudest noise
    Bolonath Crystal: :)
    Nymf Hathaway: Silence comes from within
    Calvino Rabeni: It is relaxing and stimulating at the same time
    Bolonath Crystal nods silently
    Calvino Rabeni: I am trying to figure something out. It is on a felt sense level.
    Calvino Rabeni: I did the contemplation for Ways of Knowing workshop today
    Nymf Hathaway: Sorry my contribution wasn't much, RL calls again. Have a friendly silence :)
    Bolonath Crystal: om shanti, nymf
    Calvino Rabeni: always good to see you Nymf :)
    Bolonath Crystal: would you like to tell about your contemplation, cal?

'follow the energy'

    Calvino Rabeni: I got a sense that I have a great energy but no desire
    Calvino Rabeni: THis seems unfamiliar
    Bolonath Crystal: sounds peaceful
    Calvino Rabeni: I have the sense I need to follow the energy
    Calvino Rabeni: but it isn't desire based
    Calvino Rabeni: so I'm not sure how to "do" it
    Bolonath Crystal: wu wei, maybe?
    Calvino Rabeni: It might be a mood
    Calvino Rabeni: But sometimes things shift like that, I believe
    Calvino Rabeni: it would be a very active wu wei, if so
    --BELL--
    Bolonath Crystal: well, maybe 'active' and 'wu wei' are not neccessarily contradictions
    Bolonath Crystal: there is a similar saying in the bhagavad gita
    Calvino Rabeni: as lao tzu says. Does nothing, accomplishes everything.
    Calvino Rabeni: What is it in the B/G
    Bolonath Crystal: wb geoff :)
    Bolonath Crystal: the gita says, that nobody can refrain from acting even for a single moment. but it is not the self, that acts. it's just the elements of life reacting with each other
    Bolonath Crystal: (somewhere in chapter 2)
    Bolonath Crystal: sorry, chapter 3 it is
    Calvino Rabeni: it's coming back to me - havent read it for years
    Calvino Rabeni: and are we counseled to an attitude in regard to it?
    Calvino Rabeni: the big play, that is
    Bolonath Crystal: yes. krishna suggests a way of acting without attachment to the 'fruits' of acting. he calls it 'offering the action to god'
    Bolonath Crystal: i'd rather say: let the elements react and don't identify with the actor
    Bolonath Crystal: the word 'god' is sometimes a little problematic ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: The "offering" sounds more generous.
    Calvino Rabeni: A dimension of it I like now.
    Calvino Rabeni: Geoff, computer problems?
    Geoff Baily: bad crash
    Calvino Rabeni: You are right, of course
    Calvino Rabeni: (to bolo)
    Geoff Baily: back now

developing intuition

    Calvino Rabeni: there is always the split between what communicates well and what seems true
    Calvino Rabeni: Often
    Bolonath Crystal: ah, that 'finger-and-moon-stuff'
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking of a quote by walt whitman, who might be called an american transcendentalist
    Calvino Rabeni: Wisdom cannot be pass’d from one having it, to another not having it; Wisdom is of the Soul, is not susceptible of proof, is its own proof, 80 Applies to all stages and objects and qualities, and is content, Is the certainty of the reality and immortality of things, and the excellence of things; Something there is in the float of the sight of things that provokes it out of the Soul.
    --BELL--
    Bolonath Crystal: would be interesting to know, if mankind ever reaches a state of evolution, where a non-symbolic communication is possible. kind of telepathy or whatever
    Bolonath Crystal: this would solve that problem
    Geoff Baily: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: We already have that.
    Calvino Rabeni: It is normal
    Bolonath Crystal: but widely unused...
    Geoff Baily: can be developed?
    Calvino Rabeni: I like to think, always used, but not in an aware way
    Geoff Baily: by practice?
    Calvino Rabeni: I think practice refines it
    Geoff Baily: intuition perhaps?
    Calvino Rabeni: one word for it I would say
    Bolonath Crystal: a matter of awareness? hm... i like this thought
    Geoff Baily: any more words for it Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: awareness of context
    Geoff Baily: ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: waking from a trance
    Calvino Rabeni: language can narrow the awareness from what it might naturally be
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course, can also focus and direct it usefully!
    Geoff Baily: I find if one tries to do it, it goes away!
    Calvino Rabeni: Can you say what you tried?
    Geoff Baily: there are no words for intuitions 'feelings'
    Geoff Baily: for example once I had an appointment in a town I did not know.
    Geoff Baily: no map no sat nav
    Geoff Baily: but i knew the person i was meeting well
    Geoff Baily: i just drove witn an open heart and we met up!
    Bolonath Crystal: did you expect that, geoff, or was it just 'happening'?
    Calvino Rabeni: I've done that. It doesn't always work when I like though :)
    Geoff Baily: true, anxiety damps it down
    Geoff Baily: need confidence (faith?)
    Calvino Rabeni: helpful no doubt
    Calvino Rabeni: I think maybe animal tracking in the forest could have some of that in it
    Geoff Baily: yes
    Bolonath Crystal: it somehow resembles the state we are in when we are newborn. no possibility to really do something, but lots of confidence, that things happen
    Geoff Baily: i think that may be a basis. also the beginningof symbolism
    Geoff Baily: tracks are not the animal, but they lead to it!!
    Geoff Baily: finger pointing
    --BELL--
    Geoff Baily: Sorry to have missed the middle. Must go now......RL
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye Geoff
    Bolonath Crystal: very sorry, but i have to leave, too
    Geoff Baily: Bye both of you, see you soon
    Bolonath Crystal: bye everyone, om shanti
    Calvino Rabeni: See you soon.
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_