2009.12.01 07:00 - observes for all life

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The very few comments are by Riddle Sideways.  Who is been so busy (again) to get this posted and commented.
    Me thinks some freudian thang was keeping me from posting this.  Perhaps I did not want to share all this.  At least I don't tell the whole long story.

    Riddle Sideways: good Morning, Scotty and Archi
    Riddle Sideways: and good morning Koya M. ?
    Riddle Sideways: good morning Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: Hello Riddle, Arch, Scot
    Archmage Atlantis: Morninf Ridddle, Scotty, Vendy
    Riddle Sideways: Scotty, I ma not sure we have met before
    Riddle Sideways: do you know about our PaB meetings
    Riddle Sideways: clicking the ball next to you, gives you a notecard with more about us
    Archmage Atlantis: Hey, Eos :)
    Riddle Sideways: Arch, please tell me about the av on your shoulder
    Vendy Walpole: Hello Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Arch, Riddle, Vendy
    Riddle Sideways: Hi, Eos and Pema
    Eos Amaterasu: Pema
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Vendy Walpole: Hi Pema
    Pema Pera: hi everyone!
    Pema Pera: (was hard to get here, tp was refused many times)
    Archmage Atlantis: Koya M is a white tiger cub
    Riddle Sideways: np
    Archmage Atlantis: hI, Pema
    Archmage Atlantis: Actually, Koya is somehat symbolic for me
    Riddle Sideways: funny how we train cute little one pound cubs to sit on shoulders
    Riddle Sideways: then they become 800 pound weights
    Archmage Atlantis: He observes for all life on earth, in my dream life *grin*
    Archmage Atlantis: That is why I only have a Bengal cat in RL ;0
    Archmage Atlantis: :) I mean
    Pema Pera: in what way is a Bengal cat different from other cats? fur or size or other aspects?
    Riddle Sideways: Bengal cat can sit on your lap, Bengal Tiger eats you
    Archmage Atlantis: They are a hybrid of a SE Asian Wild Cat and domestic cats
    Pema Pera: lol, Riddle!
    Eos Amaterasu snorts
    Archmage Atlantis: Selected over several generations for gentleness and intelligence
    Vendy Walpole: I'm sorry I have to leave, RL issue
    Pema Pera: bye Vendy!
    Vendy Walpole: Have nice time all of you
    Riddle Sideways: however, sorry, bye Vendy
    Vendy Walpole: Bye
    Eos Amaterasu: bye Vendy
    Archmage Atlantis: bye Vendy
    Eos Amaterasu: ] Archmage Atlantis: He observes for all life on earth, in my dream life *grin*
    Eos Amaterasu: Can u say more, Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I have a written text, give me a minute Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: Or, could you turn that into a 90 secs suggested practice?
    Eos Amaterasu: observing for all life....
    Eos Amaterasu: with little bits of from all life...
    Riddle Sideways: in my dream life... ?
    Eos Amaterasu: in SL / RL / DL ...
    Riddle Sideways: 2 observers ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, while I search for the file,
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, I am shamanic is my belief system.......but it also ties into the story that we as humans are responsible for all like on this planet........and since I have been devoted to reason and scientific method since childhood.....I had to find another way to approach belief
    Eos Amaterasu: Riddle, do u mean dream observer & RL observer?
    Riddle Sideways: that was what I was wondering if Arch meant
    Archmage Atlantis: Since reason and scientific method do no explain everything in this vast universe, in my understanding......others have other beliefs that comfort them and I accept that
    Archmage Atlantis: To, like the Austrialian Aborigines, I have a dream walk / dream world
    Archmage Atlantis: I know it's far outside the mainstream *smile*
    Riddle Sideways: please to not go on with what the mainstream might mean
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah here is the text
    Archmage Atlantis: Koya M Koyaanisqatsi is a Hopi word which means "world out of balance...a state of life that calls for another way." Marie is of French origin. Variant of Mary (Latin) "star of the sea".
    Archmage Atlantis: So, mainstream in that it is not one of the major variants of religion, although I read in all faiths
    Archmage Atlantis: That also has been a lifelong avocation
    Riddle Sideways: as tool makers and users we bring many tools to any activity
    Riddle Sideways: when we start to explore we bring the tools adn sight we know to use
    Archmage Atlantis: I agree, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: finding those tools not adiquite we adapt other means
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree again
    Riddle Sideways: sci method served you well (and prolly still does) but can be combined in a new way
    Riddle Sideways: to search whatever
    Archmage Atlantis: It is a tool to me, as is reason.......for me, meaning lies outside those tools
    Eos Amaterasu: Dreaming could be seen, felt, like escape; but also noted as part of process of how we experience ourselves, our world
    Eos Amaterasu: Note the dreaming!
    Eos Amaterasu: (into the next 90 secs)
    Archmage Atlantis: A personal view for me, I do not seek to convert anyone else to my thinking
    Riddle Sideways: our dream experts are not here right now, but there are so many types and ways of dreams
    Riddle Sideways: one is that we dream the unworked fragments of collected images
    Riddle Sideways: and work on them during off-cycles
    Eos Amaterasu: that also happens every moment, many off-cycles/second :-)
    Riddle Sideways: but then again... dreams are also the opening to all after being focused
    Riddle Sideways: it is a very useful tool... to bring an observer with you
    Riddle Sideways: I like Koya M.
    Archmage Atlantis: Thank you, Riddle
    Eos Amaterasu is thinking, don't pet the ferocious tiger, Riddle!
    Riddle Sideways: How many Pemas go into the dreams
    Riddle Sideways: the watcher, the doer, the whole, the sci, the artist, the empty, the full ?
    Pema Pera wondering whether that was a question addressed to him? Looking around for other Pemas . . . .
    Riddle Sideways: no was not toward/about the av pema
    Riddle Sideways: was about all those Pema we know
    Riddle Sideways: the meta-person that watchs as we typo
    Eos Amaterasu: what about all the Riddle we know
    Eos Amaterasu: (very well hiddent identity - Riddle)
    Riddle Sideways: and the ones *I* hide ?
    Eos Amaterasu: "say Friend and ye shall enter"
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Pema Pera: "Friend"
    Riddle Sideways: A door opens
    Pema Pera steps in
    Eos Amaterasu: (riddle from Lord of the Rings.... that was inscribed in Elvish above the closed door)
    Eos Amaterasu: it's dark in here
    Riddle Sideways: oh bring your own light with you
    Pema Pera enjoys the darkness
    Riddle Sideways: I remeber that the lamp is on the ground beside the pump house
    Eos Amaterasu wonders if this is the dreamtime
    Pema Pera carefully steps further forward
    Riddle Sideways: those cycles between again
    Riddle Sideways: like bringing all your tools with you...
    Riddle Sideways: bring enlightenment with you into the darkness
    Eos Amaterasu checks inventory
    Pema Pera: (it's so retro to play virtual MUD in a virtual world!)
    Riddle Sideways: yes :)
    Eos Amaterasu: ( :-) :-)
    Pema Pera: a dream in a dream . . . .
    Riddle Sideways: thank you, that was what I was trying to work out
    Riddle Sideways: or at least the recipical
    Riddle Sideways: I was thinking what went on last night was a dream and a dream in a dream
    Pema Pera: it was trying to work you out (reciprocal?)
    Riddle Sideways: but she was trying to say that it was RL
    Riddle Sideways: [very long story]
    Pema Pera: she?
    Eos Amaterasu: the observer?
    Riddle Sideways: aperson breaking down in front of me... and I thought it a dream
    Riddle Sideways: "this can't be happening"
    Riddle Sideways: I could put a bandaid on it, but not become it and fix
    Riddle Sideways: have been troubled all night that I was not in the right place to help
    Eos Amaterasu: sometimes you can't, regardless of whether it's dream life, waking life
    Pema Pera: listening itself may just have been the best thing
    Riddle Sideways: was thinking that too, but not sure
    Pema Pera: being there
    Archmage Atlantis: Sometimes one cannot help, the entity must walk the path alone to lean
    Riddle Sideways: that I did do
    Archmage Atlantis: *learn
    Riddle Sideways: when she opens so much that it is both enlighten and madness at same time
    Riddle Sideways: before mine eyes
    Eos Amaterasu: hm
    Pema Pera: there is a fine line there, sometimes no line
    Riddle Sideways: there is a state of crying/laughing, joy/pain that Is so hard to watch
    Archmage Atlantis: enlightenment and madness seem closely related in my personal experience.......madness is a judgement, based on the assumptions of the viewer
    Riddle Sideways: but I thought it a dream
    Pema Pera: just watching and being with someone is much harder than trying to help . . . .
    Archmage Atlantis: Enlightenment is something other, far more difficult to put into words
    Pema Pera: it takes a awful lot of courage, I feel I'm slowly learning to do that, little by little . . .
    Pema Pera: (just being with someone)
    Riddle Sideways: was being with her and watching and keeping safe, but feel bad that I was not 100% there
    Pema Pera: can you put your finger on what in you was not there, not 100%?
    Riddle Sideways: was deja vu of a dream repeated
    Riddle Sideways: a part was saying this is a dream
    Archmage Atlantis: Time for me to go....since I shared far more than I ever expected to share about my beliefs, the tempation for a dramatic exit is strong *grin*
    Eos Amaterasu: bye Arch
    Pema Pera: bye Arch!
    Riddle Sideways: ah, thank you Arch
    Riddle Sideways: nice exit visuals
    Archmage Atlantis: Bye all *grin*
    Eos Amaterasu: /watches Arch make a dramatic departure
    Pema Pera: viewing it as a dream may have been a way to be more with the situation, Riddle
    Pema Pera: don't you think?
    Riddle Sideways: probably
    Pema Pera: making it in fact easier to go deeper into the situation
    Riddle Sideways: have worried about it all night
    Alfred Kelberry: hi :)
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: one may think that pab never sleeps :)
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: PaB does dream...
    Pema Pera: we sleep for 90 seconds at a time, Alf, when the pool gets misty :-)
    Pema Pera: what worried you most, Riddle?
    Riddle Sideways: this "dream in a dream" helped exactly
    Alfred Kelberry: it's been 17 people in here yesterday - the first time i observed so many at pab :)
    Pema Pera: (and do sit down if you like, Alfred!)
    Pema Pera: how did it help?
    Riddle Sideways: pointed out the layers
    Riddle Sideways: but, that is for another time... Must go to RL
    Pema Pera: bye Riddle, and thanks for sharing!
    Eos Amaterasu: Thanks for sharing & being here, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: TY
    Pema Pera: well, time for me to go too
    Riddle Sideways: but please continue
    Eos Amaterasu: I also need to go....
    Alfred Kelberry: what lured me to login actually was the group notice about the world aids day
    Pema Pera: no, your story goes with you, Riddle :)
    Eos Amaterasu: Bye Pema, Alfred....
    Alfred Kelberry: bye, eos
    Pema Pera: Bye Alfred! We typically stay here for an hour, in this case 7 till 8
    Alfred Kelberry: can't stop thinking of the canon's eos series when i read your name :)
    Pema Pera: hehehe
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, thank you, pema
    Riddle Sideways: sorry to leave Alfred, duty calls (on the phone)
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Alfred Kelberry: no worries - have a nice day! :)
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