2009.12.22 19:00 - I Contain Multitudes

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    1. 1. Song of Myself
        1. 1.1.1. By Walt Whitman


    The Guardian for this meeting was Eos Amaterasu. The comments are by Eos Amaterasu. This was another theme session on facilitation.

    Eos Amaterasu watches large grey falling rectangles rezzing into falling snow
    Eos Amaterasu: it's been snowier in the playgoda lately
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, Eos
    Calvino Rabeni: How go everything?
    Eos Amaterasu: Pretty well, a lot of rush around xmas relaxation
    Calvino Rabeni: Arch, hello
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello Cal, Eos

    Arch brought a talking snake with him, whose comments were not logged
    Eos Amaterasu: hi brown sssssssnake
    Archmage Atlantis: Sorry, he's not playing by the team rules
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok
    Eos Amaterasu: We continue on the facilitation theme....
    Calvino Rabeni: sssssnakes are like that
    Eos Amaterasu: ssssshure
    Archmage Atlantis: Apparently so
    Archmage Atlantis: He got added on a visit to SL Egypt, and I think he'll a bit elemental
    Eos Amaterasu: picking up spirits along the way....
    Archmage Atlantis: I have to negotiate a bit before he gets to come out in public
    Archmage Atlantis: Yea, sorta Eos
    Archmage Atlantis: The creative mind is a peculiar place
    Eos Amaterasu listens
    Archmage Atlantis: I was going to be on time, but trying to get the snake to behave slowed me down, I burned the reduction from the juices of last nights vegie stir fry (tomatoes always throw off a lot of liquid)
    Archmage Atlantis: And then it was late, so I let him come with me
    Archmage Atlantis: Pure circumstance, to say other is a flight of fancy *grin*
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, okay, 90 secs coming up, snake and all


    Eos Amaterasu: How was that?
    Eos Amaterasu: I think I was appreciating the space of preoccupation :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I was dropping various agendas, then started thinking about your comment Eos "relating to that inner place from which awareness and action come"
    Archmage Atlantis: A question laden with ambiquity "How was that?"
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, appreciation is a good "tool"
    Calvino Rabeni: Ambiguous questions are a give of flexibility, much as people seem to object
    Archmage Atlantis: Sorry, still mentally rushing around
    Eos Amaterasu: That might be a good starting point to talking about facilitation
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure ok
    Archmage Atlantis: Ok
    Eos Amaterasu: Would you like to continue with the starting point you brought up, Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: Ok
    Calvino Rabeni: It seems good for the facilitator to be aware of how much ambiguity can be handled
    Calvino Rabeni: This relates to both themes
    Calvino Rabeni: So, if you give people an opportunity to "come from" that inner place
    Calvino Rabeni: It is counter to some social habits - they may need some encouragement
    Calvino Rabeni: My personal take is, the inner place needs cultivation
    Calvino Rabeni: which I have given it, and it responds well to ambiguity
    Calvino Rabeni: but in a group I think it takes some finessing with structure
    Calvino Rabeni: Does any of that give you an idea for continuing?
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, you could break it up into some sequences or aspects.
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree Cal, would like to hear your ideas on the finessing.
    Eos Amaterasu: For example, first you have an idea or glimpse
    Eos Amaterasu: that there is something worth cultivating
    Eos Amaterasu: and then you realize there is a way to cultivating it
    Eos Amaterasu: and then you cultivate it
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes - a personal decision to oneself
    Eos Amaterasu: that's a personal journey
    Calvino Rabeni: Trust in oneself
    Eos Amaterasu: the question is how a group can make such a journey
    Calvino Rabeni: And then another stage, trust that it is something to put into the public space
    Calvino Rabeni: in some form
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes, that trust is trust in yourself
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eos Amaterasu: (at least toleration of yourself :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: which means you can relax more, and see more, and care about what you experience
    Eos Amaterasu: and include others in that
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eos Amaterasu: Part of it is realizing the contribution you make to the situation
    Calvino Rabeni: And less of it would be the agendas of self-suspicion that people carry sometimes
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Eos Amaterasu: so both some cynicism to and some acceptance of yourself
    Eos Amaterasu: seeing clearly but being merciful :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Indeed
    Eos Amaterasu: if you can do that to yourself you can do it with others
    Calvino Rabeni: and vice versa
    Calvino Rabeni: Some facilitation teachers take this issue by the horns
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, it's a peer situation, networked :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: and ask people to consider that part of facilitation
    Calvino Rabeni: is to consider yourself as the gift you give to others
    Calvino Rabeni: That is a stretch for many, but makes sense
    Archmage Atlantis: Hmmm, that is facilitating to share oneself as I would see it....with facilitating to bring out the learning of the group is related but with a slightly different emphasis........any thoughts on that?
    Calvino Rabeni: There is a big overlap
    Calvino Rabeni: Skills of one are skills of the other insofar as they overlap
    Calvino Rabeni: People don't really want a uniform human being
    Eos Amaterasu: ultimately each person needs that personal journey to and from their inner place
    Calvino Rabeni: they want role models, where they can both feel same and different
    Eos Amaterasu: (which is not really inner -inside-the-skin - so to speak)
    Calvino Rabeni: Right
    Eos Amaterasu: a person that speaks to the best myth in them
    Eos Amaterasu: so they inspire you
    Calvino Rabeni: is inspiring
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: A facilitator can see those myths, hopefully


    Calvino Rabeni: And allow them into the facilitation
    Paradise Tennant: hello eos, cal , arch :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi, Paradise
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Paradise:)
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Paradise!
    Archmage Atlantis: The pillow seats here are dark blue and russet brown on my screen
    Eos Amaterasu: Maybe a facilitator can see that inner place in those myths
    Archmage Atlantis: When I come here I always pick a blue one
    Eos Amaterasu: which is seeing what inspires people in them
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: and see that that inspiration may come through the myth but is not actually tied to it
    Archmage Atlantis: There is one blue one that only allows me to sit as Paradise is sitting
    Calvino Rabeni: One important theme is - what do you feel passion about
    Calvino Rabeni: and the idea that being in the group could be bringing that as a gift
    Eos Amaterasu: that's where you "live"
    Calvino Rabeni: It is very "soft"
    Archmage Atlantis: Thus, I can either move, or sit in a way that is not natural for me
    Eos Amaterasu: move
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, bring what you live in, and then feel where you have passion to move from there
    Archmage Atlantis: I don't, I chose to experience the difference
    Eos Amaterasu: vive la difference!
    Eos Amaterasu: Paradise, we're talking about the "inner place" of an individual, and the "inner place" of a group, and facilitation bridging the two
    Paradise Tennant: there is always a shared space :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I heard another take on this a while back, which I liked. The author called it "SupraSex".
    Archmage Atlantis: a winter storm approaches
    Calvino Rabeni: It is not physical sex, but the idea that people can engage together in shared creation
    Calvino Rabeni: and that they like this and are drawn to it
    Paradise Tennant: brainstorming after a fashion where .. ideas ..bloom ..
    Calvino Rabeni: Some traditions say creative energy and sexual energy are linked
    Eos Amaterasu: sex is sublimated creation
    Calvino Rabeni: The attraction being - to create something together in the world
    Calvino Rabeni: and see it become independent of each of them
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course authors have noted the link - e.g. that real sex cuts down their creative production
    Calvino Rabeni: but for me, the useful part of the idea is to acknowledge the desire and shared-ness of it
    Paradise Tennant: ;) hmm a lot of creativity is born from misery :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Note to self: Avoid authors
    Calvino Rabeni: so they say, personally I don't believe it much
    Storm Nordwind: It is true though
    Paradise Tennant: particularly the emotional aftermath of romance ..
    Eos Amaterasu: Hi Storm
    Paradise Tennant: hi storm :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Hi Storm :)
    Storm Nordwind smiles at everyone
    Calvino Rabeni: It may be true, but it is true with a certain spin
    Calvino Rabeni: and other spins seem a bit more liberating
    Eos Amaterasu: creativity from the emotional aftermath of romance.... can u say more, Para?
    Calvino Rabeni: listens
    Paradise Tennant: well many many wonderful songs, stories are borne of heart ache something about the intensity of the pain I think .. the fact that is so common ..so humane ..makes for a path to that shared space :)
    Calvino Rabeni: My take, is, the romance includes an experience of Beauty
    Archmage Atlantis: New note to self: Seek artists and authors on the rebound *grin*
    Eos Amaterasu: That's a really good one: creating a shared space takes a path, made more real thru shared pain?
    Calvino Rabeni: which is motivating, when people lose the romance, they desire to find beauty elsewhere
    Paradise Tennant: lol arch
    Calvino Rabeni: to continue with it
    Storm Nordwind: No they don't Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: That works Arch :)
    Storm Nordwind: They want to regain it in the same place!
    Calvino Rabeni: Same in themself, that would work
    Calvino Rabeni: But they are at a loss for the externals
    Calvino Rabeni: Hopefully the find another place
    Storm Nordwind: To transfer it to someone else does not work as regards creativity
    Eos Amaterasu: creativity from the emotional aftermath of romance...
    Storm Nordwind: To do that you are removing the pain by acknowledging another possibility


    Calvino Rabeni: That doesn't match my experience, and I've heard it spoken of by others in the same way
    Storm Nordwind: It is the intensity of the emotional pain that digs deep
    Storm Nordwind is a songwriter and recalls that his most prolific and most beautiful songs were written in emotional trauma, but only when directed to the one lost, not to another possibility
    Archmage Atlantis: It is always my first question to a recently met spiritual teacher, after I get to know them a bit, ...."Does suffering have meaning or purpose?"
    Paradise Tennant: great question arch
    Eos Amaterasu: Hopefully they sing you a song :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I believe Arch has insights into pain as a kind of power - if I may refer to that, Arch?
    Archmage Atlantis: They do sing, in some sense.
    Calvino Rabeni: And I relate to the "dig deep" idea of Storm
    Archmage Atlantis: Oh sure, Cal, I'm fine with that.
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a creative motivation in pain, but also a way people can get stuck in it
    Calvino Rabeni: And I think facilitation needs to be careful with that
    Paradise Tennant: pain often feeds the ego
    Storm Nordwind: I suspect people who are in a state of perfect equanimity and meditative equipoise rarely write good songs.
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at storm
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, delusion is not good at growth or songwriting.....
    Eos Amaterasu: Hmm, Mozart managed both equanimity and scandalous songs
    Calvino Rabeni: Pain is a delusion, often
    Archmage Atlantis: Agree Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Or a motivation
    Storm Nordwind: Always
    Storm Nordwind: Always a delusion
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at storm !
    Eos Amaterasu: thy name is vanity!
    Eos Amaterasu: but could be a good show nevertheless
    Storm Nordwind: The kindest and most loving spiritual teacher I ever had reminded me once that if I ever felt any discomfort it was a telltale sign of delusion
    Eos Amaterasu: what about comfort?
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Calvino Rabeni: Two-sided, like pain
    Storm Nordwind: Indeed Eos
    Eos Amaterasu: I like the unrequited romance part
    Archmage Atlantis: So you learned by knowing that the discomfort was a guide, Storm....is that accurate?
    Eos Amaterasu: you thought you were touched
    Eos Amaterasu: you were you weren't
    Storm Nordwind: Yes Arch... one is a sure sign of the other , as far as I can tell - but in one direction. There may well be delusions that produce no discomfort!
    Calvino Rabeni: Can we tie that into facilitation?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, often one finds that in those who have split themselves into parts that do not negotiate......one part may control and not feel the discomfort caused to the other parts
    Calvino Rabeni: nice point
    Storm Nordwind nods
    Calvino Rabeni: and consume a lot of energy in the process
    Calvino Rabeni: a self-facilitation may involve those multiple parts
    Eos Amaterasu: we contain multitudes
    Eos Amaterasu: (Whitman?)
    Calvino Rabeni: Similar to group facilitation, in principle
    Calvino Rabeni: Whitman.
    Storm Nordwind: There are whole professions that makie their money by insisting everyone is split into disparate parts like that and who refuse to believe anyone can be integrated
    Calvino Rabeni: "Do I contradict myself? Then I contradict myself. I contain multitudes"
    Eos Amaterasu: Maybe that's a great theme for next 90 secs :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, people find all kinds of ways of making money by holding out the promise of rearranging the parts
    Archmage Atlantis: We are a species that is both community and individual
    Calvino Rabeni: And call it help
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes arch
    Storm Nordwind nods to both
    Calvino Rabeni: Eos is good reminding about the pause timing
    Calvino Rabeni: Are we multiple...


    Eos Amaterasu: The most powerful thing is that we are able to share 90 secs across space and time and personality
    Eos Amaterasu: it's the surface thing, in a way: just this simple thing
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks all :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes Walt Whitman "Song of Myself"
    Archmage Atlantis: Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.)
    Eos Amaterasu: so if we do or can do that individually, we also can do so, containing each other, as a group?
    Archmage Atlantis: I love search engines, they are like the law library.....no one can remember everything, so all is preserved
    Calvino Rabeni: I hold the question lightly, during the pause
    Archmage Atlantis: For reference
    Calvino Rabeni: Eos, do you have a more definite answer than my "yes"?
    Paradise Tennant: Song of Myself By Walt Whitman 1819-1892 1 I celebrate myself, and sing myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. I loafe and invite my soul, I lean and loafe at my ease observing a spear of summer grass. My tongue, every atom of my blood, form'd from this soil, this air, Born here of parents born here from parents the same, and their parents the same, I, now thirty-seven years old in perfect health begin, Hoping to cease not till death. Creeds and schools in abeyance, Retiring back a while sufficed at what they are, but never forgotten, I harbor for good or bad, I permit to speak at every hazard, Nature without check with original energy. 2 Houses and rooms are full of perfumes, the shelves are crowded with perfumes, I breathe the fragrance myself and know it and like it, The distillation would intoxicate me also, but I shall not let it. The atmosphere is not a perfume, it has no taste of the distillatio
    Paradise Tennant: sorry .. eos maybe you can cut that and paste it at the end ..it was the poem you referenced .. a lovely one at that
    Eos Amaterasu: self-facilitation, group facilitation
    Storm Nordwind: It is a strange awareness Eos. To be aware of the group, together across those spaces, and yet forsaking the renunciation of separation in order to do so!
    Eos Amaterasu: (yes indeed)
    Calvino Rabeni: Braced in the beams, stout as a horse, haughty, upright ... electrical (continuing Whitman)
    Archmage Atlantis: The dead live among us :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There is some commitment to being with others
    Eos Amaterasu: we have lots of voices of the dead in us, they are among the multitudes
    Calvino Rabeni: sacrifice and/or joy
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Eos - ancestors
    Eos Amaterasu: lineage
    Calvino Rabeni: and they deserve gratitude or respect, I feel
    Calvino Rabeni: Even the robbers and thieves
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, we have a number of generations of humanity that brought us here
    Eos Amaterasu: they also populate our inner place
    Calvino Rabeni: they suffered, prevailed
    Storm Nordwind: As a Heathen, ancestors were important. As a Buddhist, lineage is important. So are the traditions.
    Calvino Rabeni: Those who think the are not part of a legacy ...
    Calvino Rabeni: are missing something
    Archmage Atlantis: They do not truely think, Cal, they only exist
    Storm Nordwind: We advance into the future by laying down new layers of the past - for our children to stand on
    Calvino Rabeni: Or not deeply
    Calvino Rabeni: Which reminds me, back to facilitation - that in my experience good facilitators help people feel "part of something" beyond themselves
    Storm Nordwind excuses himself and slips away into the snow
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Storm for joining
    Eos Amaterasu: mush!
    Archmage Atlantis: I do not meant that as harshly as it comes across, some are just where they are at this time in this life
    Paradise Tennant: waves at storm's departing
    Calvino Rabeni: That is an issue, Arch, to be aware of
    Eos Amaterasu: mabye through both facilitator and facilitatee feeling part of something beyond themselves
    Archmage Atlantis: Could have taken the snow with him :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Archmage Atlantis: Just in case you read this log later Storm *grin*
    Eos Amaterasu feels very Canadian in the snow :-)
    Paradise Tennant: :) yes feels just like home .. minus 19 c here
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, what we say here - becomes the legacy of the future in cyberspace forever
    Eos Amaterasu: mutual journey of facilitator/ee
    Calvino Rabeni: : forget I said that now :)
    Paradise Tennant: ;)
    Eos Amaterasu: both have to go on a journey over the edge


    Paradise Tennant: well .. perhaps the best part of facilitation is that aptly applied it can bring us closer to reality .. to truly understanding what walt whitman was describing .. the one :)
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, I have to clean my burned wok so I can finish a very late dinner, ToDaLoo all *smile*
    Paradise Tennant: waves at arch .. happy dining
    Eos Amaterasu: bye Arch
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm getting to appreciate the PaB practice pauses more
    Eos Amaterasu: btw, "facilitating" has a slight sense of disengaging
    Eos Amaterasu: whereas "leadership" is more engaged, committed
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, there has been some talk of that
    Calvino Rabeni: I see the distinction
    Eos Amaterasu: unless "facilitator" is an ongong role, individual or shared or rotating
    Calvino Rabeni: In some of my groups it is a rotating role
    Eos Amaterasu: How is that appreciation of PaB pauses, Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: facilitator could also be a participant, fully committed and co-creative
    Paradise Tennant: sadly .. I should make tracks in the snow too .. thank you both .. for the wonderful conversation .. I will be hearing walt's words as I settle down to sleep ..:)
    Calvino Rabeni: but the disctinction refers to a role
    Eos Amaterasu: :-) bye Para
    Calvino Rabeni: Glad you were here Paradise, so long for now.
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Appreciation?
    Calvino Rabeni: Ok
    Calvino Rabeni: I try to be careful when it feels like habits want to take over the pause
    Calvino Rabeni: because when that doesn't happen, I enjoy the experience
    Calvino Rabeni: and feel gratitude for it
    Eos Amaterasu: the ongoingness of habitual stuff is experiential karma
    Eos Amaterasu: is experience of karma
    Calvino Rabeni: I probably agree, but have a non-hindu frame for it
    Eos Amaterasu: karma as obsessive cause & effect chain
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, I can feel the "obsessive" quality, and the chain-ey-ness
    Eos Amaterasu: I think the "multitudes" aspect is that stuff happens in the 9 or 90 secs
    Calvino Rabeni: But I think of it as a kind of automatic process that goes on if a creative awareness is not brought in
    Calvino Rabeni: I become aware if it in the pause, but also outside
    Calvino Rabeni: although in the pause it is easier to "drop"
    Eos Amaterasu: yea, there's it and there's awareness of it
    Eos Amaterasu: just dropping is enough
    Calvino Rabeni: the extra attention during the pause helps
    Eos Amaterasu: as long as it is not "preventing"
    Eos Amaterasu: 'cause that's an effort
    Calvino Rabeni: agree
    Eos Amaterasu: and artificial
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Eos Amaterasu: same in a group
    Eos Amaterasu: you want things to come up, but not obsessions about them :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, I think I know what you mean
    Calvino Rabeni: exactly
    Calvino Rabeni: another thing, a facilitator can't necessarily do the same as a "guru" and give advice
    Calvino Rabeni: but as a peer participant, perhaps \
    Eos Amaterasu: what can a facilitator do?
    Calvino Rabeni: It is kind of like (what I consider) one of Pema's ideas for PaB
    Calvino Rabeni: that is, a group of people can exchange and help with knowledge
    Calvino Rabeni: but with a peer social model, not a hierarchical traditional model
    Calvino Rabeni: I think, in facilitation, there is some of that
    Calvino Rabeni: A facilitator does not tell people what they should do
    Eos Amaterasu: the tricky thing is to be peer-to-peer while respecting that there are distinct roles


    Calvino Rabeni: But can say, "this works for me, and I can tell you others say it works for them"
    Calvino Rabeni: An experienced group is often more flexible about the issues of roles and identification
    Eos Amaterasu: if you trust each other you can allow roles
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, true
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm in various groups, they have different needs with respect to that
    Eos Amaterasu: which also means authority
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: and structure
    Calvino Rabeni: A facilitator can cook something up that the group will find palatable
    Eos Amaterasu: is facilitation something you do for a living?
    Eos Amaterasu: or are you in a number of groups that use facilitative processes?
    Calvino Rabeni: I also respect a facilitator who knows when to recuse themself
    Calvino Rabeni: The second is more true. I did some short term facilitation and also in groups that rotate the role. Plus being a long-time observer of group process in various contexts
    Calvino Rabeni: Studied psychotherapy
    Calvino Rabeni: Did not adopt it as a vocation, however
    Calvino Rabeni: I have been to various trainings on it
    Calvino Rabeni: How about you Eos, whence your interest in the topic?
    Eos Amaterasu: oh, dynamics of groups, group creativity, decision making
    Eos Amaterasu: have been in various groups as well, social, technicial, contemplative, cultural
    Calvino Rabeni: sounds similar
    Calvino Rabeni: Usually in groups, my focus is on those issues, rather than primarily on the content
    Eos Amaterasu: my wife directs Alia (Authentic Leadership in Action) Institute, which is about many of these themes
    Calvino Rabeni: Interesting, tell me their affiliations?
    Eos Amaterasu: Toke Moller has presented Art of Hosting there
    Eos Amaterasu: Presencing (Otto Scharmer); World Cafe; etc
    Eos Amaterasu: http://www.aliainstitute.org
    Calvino Rabeni: RIght, these things have a kind of network of influences
    Calvino Rabeni: Crossing paths with other groups
    Eos Amaterasu: "authentic leadership" is an attempt at phrasing something like "facilitating leadership" or "servant leadership"
    Calvino Rabeni: In the 90's there were actions of varous people who seemed to know each other
    Eos Amaterasu: "leader" is a trigger word
    Calvino Rabeni: Wheatley, Tom Atlee
    Eos Amaterasu: but
    Eos Amaterasu: it starts with being leader of yourself :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: (back to that inner place and its culitvation)
    Calvino Rabeni: Berkana, The Art Of Hosting
    Calvino Rabeni: Agree with what you are saying
    Eos Amaterasu: Meg Wheatley
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Atlee does the Cointelligence Institute
    Calvino Rabeni: In the early 90's there was in internet group called the Transformational Learning Community
    Calvino Rabeni: run by a futurist named Robert Theobald
    Eos Amaterasu: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I was their webmaster and designer, and went to retreats
    Eos Amaterasu: I also like Englebart's "augment" project
    Eos Amaterasu: which was/is about "improving improvement"
    Calvino Rabeni: That's a more technology focus
    Calvino Rabeni: But I have always been attracted to "appropriate technology"
    Eos Amaterasu: improving the prime mover's (yours) awareness of their role
    Eos Amaterasu: in solving "wicked" problems
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes all important.
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: we're in a big field
    Calvino Rabeni: and getting bigger.
    Eos Amaterasu: I must get to bed....
    Eos Amaterasu visualizes a big field of flowers....
    Calvino Rabeni: Joanna Macy wrestled with the Wicked problem in the area of environmental activism
    Calvino Rabeni: which is an intersting story - for another time
    Eos Amaterasu: Yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Time for dinner.
    Eos Amaterasu: Meanwhile, go see Avatar in 3D!
    Eos Amaterasu: (great movie)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm thinking it would be good to continue this theme in January, would you be up for it?



    Calvino Rabeni: Bye



    Song of Myself

    By Walt Whitman



    I celebrate myself, and sing myself,
    And what I assume you shall assume,
    For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you.

    I loafe and invite my soul,
    I lean and loafe at my ease observing a spear of summer grass.

    My tongue, every atom of my blood, form'd from this soil, this air,
    Born here of parents born here from parents the same, and their
    parents the same,
    I, now thirty-seven years old in perfect health begin,
    Hoping to cease not till death.

    Creeds and schools in abeyance,
    Retiring back a while sufficed at what they are, but never forgotten,
    I harbor for good or bad, I permit to speak at every hazard,
    Nature without check with original energy.



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